tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post201688058110648631..comments2024-02-16T18:32:38.635-05:00Comments on The Back 40K: Math-Hammer: Vendetta with Heavy Bolters vs. Vehicles (Corrected)Farmpunkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09622091234212120598noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-30915298739829564112010-10-09T05:50:11.967-04:002010-10-09T05:50:11.967-04:00@Simon
Yes, but only when you're dealing with...@Simon<br /><br />Yes, but only when you're dealing with one shot. The results from multiple shots can interact. Such as when a second immobilized result becomes either a weapon destroyed or a wreck depending on other damage done in the same salvo. It's a problem particular to the vehicle rules<br /><br />When you have those kinds of interactions going on, I find that it's easier to simply simulate things. Whereas the normal wounding of a non-vehicle squad can be calculated more traditionally without any problem.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-88129342351797465932010-10-08T19:56:25.346-04:002010-10-08T19:56:25.346-04:00What is the advantage of simulating rolls? Wouldn&...What is the advantage of simulating rolls? Wouldn't working back from each result to find the odds of rolling the required dice give the true odds without any variance?Koronahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08250234754318025124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-60688007759515780432010-10-06T15:05:55.660-04:002010-10-06T15:05:55.660-04:00Mea Culpa Guys, I did find a flaw with the code. I...Mea Culpa Guys, I did find a flaw with the code. It's been re-factored and tested, so these results should stand. <br /><br />@#2501<br /><br />The Monolith would be the same as the Russ AV14 test. There's no benefit to survivability after the 2nd weapon is added. And that one only adds 1%, on average, to a tank's survivability.<br /><br />The Land Raider also would be the same, though POTMS would keep at least one weapon firing as long as it isn't destroyed.<br /><br />As for the Eldar, I don't have their codex.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-57187262312389420952010-10-06T12:59:32.175-04:002010-10-06T12:59:32.175-04:00How about vs tougher tanks, like the Land Raider, ...How about vs tougher tanks, like the Land Raider, Monolith, or those of the paper-hulled Eldar variety?Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04264386981291406144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-90047294188021644622010-10-05T20:32:13.873-04:002010-10-05T20:32:13.873-04:00Blogger SandWyrm said...
Just as an example,...Blogger SandWyrm said...<br /><br /> Just as an example, here's an example of 5 runs of Vendetta vs. AV14 with only 20 attack rolls per run.<br /><br /> Stopped Target Movement: 25%<br /> Stopped Target Firing: 55%<br /> Destroyed Target: 5%<br /> Did Nothing to Target: 45%<br /><br /> Stopped Target Movement: 40%<br /> Stopped Target Firing: 50%<br /> Destroyed Target: 15%<br /> Did Nothing to Target: 45%<br /><br /> Stopped Target Movement: 20%<br /> Stopped Target Firing: 35%<br /> Destroyed Target: 15%<br /> Did Nothing to Target: 65%<br /><br /> Stopped Target Movement: 65%<br /> Stopped Target Firing: 65%<br /> Destroyed Target: 20%<br /> Did Nothing to Target: 25%<br /><br /> Stopped Target Movement: 40%<br /> Stopped Target Firing: 55%<br /> Destroyed Target: 20%<br /> Did Nothing to Target: 35%<br /><br />There's a 40-point spread between some of those results!SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-72750811052595667162010-10-05T10:24:02.843-04:002010-10-05T10:24:02.843-04:00@Rionnay
Heh, click on the math-hammer link in th...@Rionnay<br /><br />Heh, click on the math-hammer link in the tag cloud, I have more posts like this you can look at.<br /><br />As for the tests, the comparison is between all 3 lascannons firing vs. All 3 lascannons + 2 Heavy Bolters. For AV12+ the stats are only for the lascannons, as the heavy bolters won't do anything.<br /><br />@Abusepuppy<br /><br />Yeah, I round off to the nearest whole percentage because there are luck variations that would make an exact number be always wrong.<br /><br />@DaveG<br /><br />Heh, I trust the code. The totals you see are the average over 100,000 attack rolls. So the individual numbers don't have to conform to the possible results of one roll.<br /><br />I should also have listed that wrecked & exploded results are added to the "stopped movement" category. I'll correct it.<br /><br />@CaulynDarr<br /><br />I run the test over 100,000 simulated attack rolls. That's how many tests it takes to get the luck variations under 1% (where I then round it off). The luck variation for runs of 10-20 rolls can approach 20% or more.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-21209147061554434612010-10-05T09:43:34.962-04:002010-10-05T09:43:34.962-04:00I'm not sure about your numbers. The probabil...I'm not sure about your numbers. The probability of concurrent related events should approach 100% but never reach it.<br /><br />I ran the numbers by hand. And the odds of at least stunning an Ork Truck with 1 lascannon and 6 heavy bolter shots is aprox 80%CaulynDarrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556761303500891267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-73035909682811215912010-10-05T09:28:08.989-04:002010-10-05T09:28:08.989-04:00I believe there's a problem with your mathhamm...I believe there's a problem with your mathhammer code...<br /><br />"Lascannons Only:<br /> Stopped Target Movement: 96% (Stunned or Immobilized)<br /> Stopped Target Firing: 96% (Shaken, Stunned, or Weapon Destroyed)"<br /><br />How is adding in Weapon Destroyed the same percentage?Dave Garbehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01557481319925772152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-30359502814634864842010-10-05T03:16:27.314-04:002010-10-05T03:16:27.314-04:00Sponsons on the airplanes are a fantastic deal, yo...Sponsons on the airplanes are a fantastic deal, you could only skip them if you are super-short on points.<br /><br />I assume there is some rounding going on in the above numbers? Otherwise the 100% statistics have gotta be wrong.<br /><br />14% boost against a Rhino to stop it moving seems awfully high, but I suppose it's not an unreasonable number.AbusePuppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07413248837734103198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-36179527423175168942010-10-05T01:20:15.540-04:002010-10-05T01:20:15.540-04:00First of all Sandwyrm, Well done sir! I never knew...First of all Sandwyrm, Well done sir! I never knew this program of yours existed pretty sweet. <br /><br />Just to clarify we are talking the heavy bolters being fired along with the 3 lascannons or comparing it to only 1 lascannon? if it's all 3 with the heavy bolters that's amazing, the results on the rhinos are inspiring to say the least for 10 points.Rionnayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02859889620624684273noreply@blogger.com