tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post5784246207646904875..comments2024-02-16T18:32:38.635-05:00Comments on The Back 40K: Sun Tsu And The Art Of StupidFarmpunkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09622091234212120598noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-62283916425416345762011-04-19T22:41:02.674-04:002011-04-19T22:41:02.674-04:00This just made my day.
Makes me want to run off...This just made my day. <br /><br />Makes me want to run off to one of the Borders closing sales and grab a copy of the latest train wreck from Lauren Conrad so that I can start quoting that in reference to 40k constantly.Dethtronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07257162715130436403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-82501164688059478012011-04-19T17:08:45.895-04:002011-04-19T17:08:45.895-04:00I guess it's been a few months since someone p...I guess it's been a few months since someone posted a 'Sun Tzu sucks' post so I guess it's due.<br /><br />Reading Sun Tzu can improve your game, even if it is philosophizing about stuff you already know. <br /><br />But the fact of the matter is time spent actually playing 40k will improve your game far more than reading the Art of War will. So, if you have the choice between reading and rolling dice... roll some damn dice.Armakoirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13893784544010428355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-87981859096293524802011-04-19T10:06:05.515-04:002011-04-19T10:06:05.515-04:00Personally I prefer the book of five rings by Miya...Personally I prefer the book of five rings by Miyamoto Musashi for all my pedantic misquoting advice. <br /><br />In fact I think the best way to use this book, or any book for that matter, is to never read it. Just grab sentences from the middle or the back and then reapply them to what ever argument you are in-lighting the inter-webs on currently. See this way you get the advantage of sounding like a tactical genius with out having to go through all the hard work of reading the books. <br /><br />For in this way lies the path of the water scroll and the killing sword. And I didn’t even have get up to find my copy of the five rings, go go gadget Google!Chambershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18075294689773116021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-27547983702271893892011-04-19T09:17:17.479-04:002011-04-19T09:17:17.479-04:00"These are not the droids you are looking for..."These are not the droids you are looking for."Flekkzohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14508641232973488303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-14582440153394674752011-04-18T17:21:08.216-04:002011-04-18T17:21:08.216-04:00Sandwyrm, thank you for this. It needed to be sai...Sandwyrm, thank you for this. It needed to be said.Euclidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17830742859030402191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-49581003196521900782011-04-18T15:47:00.806-04:002011-04-18T15:47:00.806-04:00@CaulynDarr
Exactly.@CaulynDarr<br /><br />Exactly.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-67939974306905595022011-04-18T15:43:10.974-04:002011-04-18T15:43:10.974-04:00I'm not bashing the book. I like it enough tha...I'm not bashing the book. I like it enough that I own a beautiful leather-bound copy of it, which I referenced for this article. It's an enjoyable and thoughtful read when understood in the proper context. <br /><br />But I get pissed off when I see people take quotes from the book out of context and try and hang a bit of 40K "wisdom" off of it. Because 99% of the time they're using it's reputation to push pedantic half-baked crap on the rest of us. <br /><br />So even thought I could write something thoughtful using an appropriate excerpt from Art Of War, I won't. Because that well has been poisoned. It's no different than when people lift some quote out of context from the Bible and then use it to justify their pet theory on something. I like the Bible, but not the misuse of it.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-36702994775351843692011-04-18T15:40:59.329-04:002011-04-18T15:40:59.329-04:00I think you missed the point of the article. Sand...I think you missed the point of the article. Sandwyrm's not saying that Art of War does not have useful military philosophy. He's saying that anything in Art of War that can be useful to 40K has to be so universal as to be trivial. We're talking about the clichéd quotes that can be applied in hundreds of different ways. It's like saying "One in the hand is worth two in the bush" and interpreting that to mean you should shoot only units in open terrain and not the ones in cover.CaulynDarrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556761303500891267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-2791357197375929702011-04-18T14:33:53.185-04:002011-04-18T14:33:53.185-04:00I do understand that Sun Tzu is not the best way t...I do understand that Sun Tzu is not the best way to go about trying to tell someone tactics of 40K, but this article is just downright wrong. Sun Tzu gave many good lessons in Art of War. Not to mention that there are tons of tactics that Sun Tzu utilized that a lot of 40K players utilize. Applying Art of War to the table top. Yes you can. It might not always work, as there is no way for you to garauntee that cutting off the supply lines by flanking the enemy will actually work, as in 40K, the armies don't get all crazy, and flee when they realize that they have no retreat. Cause a instant victory. But please don't bash the book of a man who has been seen as one of the greatest tacticians of all time because you need an ego boost or whatever.ZerkeXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07028453559977628685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-34896254249438229652011-04-18T11:24:20.001-04:002011-04-18T11:24:20.001-04:00You should see the looks I get when I say, "W...You should see the looks I get when I say, "Well Che says", or even better "Uncle Mau tells us..."Roland Durendalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08389723800776089633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-92053913654741394342011-04-18T09:36:14.746-04:002011-04-18T09:36:14.746-04:00There are much more relevant books on the philosop...There are much more relevant books on the philosophy of war. It's just more people will understand how smart you are when you say "Sun Tzu says..." rather than "Clauswitz says...".CaulynDarrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556761303500891267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-73006304155053645892011-04-18T09:27:58.979-04:002011-04-18T09:27:58.979-04:00Or at least less cliched. :POr at least less cliched. :PSandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-33507370145246905442011-04-18T09:16:50.386-04:002011-04-18T09:16:50.386-04:00Indeed. Any true 40K vet knows that Napoleon'...Indeed. Any true 40K vet knows that Napoleon's writings are much more applicable to 40K than Sun Tzu.<br /><br /><br />;-)sonsoftaurushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08466971377569066201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-1001831094788983702011-04-18T08:46:09.903-04:002011-04-18T08:46:09.903-04:00ummmmm.......i rather enjoy sun tzus art of war. ...ummmmm.......i rather enjoy sun tzus art of war. "some" things can be used in 40k. but ill reduce wyrmy's post to a sentence.<br /><br />40k is a miniatures game with dice, art of war, is a book about real war.uberdarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13352343779774789871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-77180371084597127652011-04-18T08:16:34.178-04:002011-04-18T08:16:34.178-04:00I desire to hug you.I desire to hug you.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07693773850422698445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-79345038285864643152011-04-18T07:51:51.743-04:002011-04-18T07:51:51.743-04:00@CauynDarr ooh then one of us needs to back down. ...@CauynDarr ooh then one of us needs to back down. I sent them all welcome packages with hand knit smallpox blankets, and sent my men to latrine a few hundred yards upstream.Farmpunkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622091234212120598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-90374681914439815172011-04-18T07:18:50.071-04:002011-04-18T07:18:50.071-04:00I like to apply Mahanian strategy to winning my ga...I like to apply Mahanian strategy to winning my games. I pay someone to park a car across my opponents driveways, so that they can't go anywhere to play. The best 40K players in Indy? You haven't met them, they have been blockaded for 5 years now.CaulynDarrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556761303500891267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-49147497528359185852011-04-18T07:08:04.400-04:002011-04-18T07:08:04.400-04:00This is going to be my default link whenever someo...This is going to be my default link whenever someone brings up The Art of War. Short and simple article.<br /><br />Messanger<br /><br />Cache - Whoreti...Messanger of Deathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16107009355887227092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-1155412525378710012011-04-18T05:21:06.119-04:002011-04-18T05:21:06.119-04:00I prefer quoting Baudrillard as a reference in my ...I prefer quoting Baudrillard as a reference in my articles, his work on the myths of the consumer society are highly relevant to applying range-threat paradigms in 40k, don't you think?suneokunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08085094845127991965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-33629748158043806652011-04-18T04:28:40.999-04:002011-04-18T04:28:40.999-04:00Good article. I 100% agree.Good article. I 100% agree.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-71926031478674782982011-04-18T02:39:10.256-04:002011-04-18T02:39:10.256-04:00Why so PoTMS?Why so PoTMS?Heretichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14998180583172670653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-46012001108033546972011-04-18T02:19:30.431-04:002011-04-18T02:19:30.431-04:00Whiney fail.Whiney fail.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09277291650032192205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-90189623926680740722011-04-18T02:10:26.628-04:002011-04-18T02:10:26.628-04:00[Borat] Very nice, I like! [/Borat] I hadn't ...[Borat] Very nice, I like! [/Borat] I hadn't thought of this book's use in that way before and very much enjoyed your article.Heretichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14998180583172670653noreply@blogger.com