tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post6115950008563225486..comments2024-02-16T18:32:38.635-05:00Comments on The Back 40K: How 6th Could Fracture UsFarmpunkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09622091234212120598noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-28591567067450741802012-07-02T00:30:39.941-04:002012-07-02T00:30:39.941-04:00Sam, you saying that you are not bothered that the...Sam, you saying that you are not bothered that the combos favour imperials shows what kind of a player you are. Not personality or what type of person you are, only that you play Imperials and/or a Xeno race that was not shafted.<br /><br />I have a friend that plays both Tyranids and - now - IG. He was telling me that he was going to focus just on Imperials and leave the nids on the shelf because with one nicely sized IG army and a couple of other units he could have many armies. Thing is, he was one of the only people who played Tyranids around here!Rafael "Balangaz"https://www.blogger.com/profile/05908329716121835117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-17512150355248730852012-06-30T13:07:01.669-04:002012-06-30T13:07:01.669-04:00You know what, you are right, but 90% of people wo...You know what, you are right, but 90% of people wont admit it, as it clashes with their own beliefs. At my local we are excited as all hell about allies, and the other rules, but I also know that the local tournament players are already talking about comp...there's a split in a community that did not have one previously...grumheldenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02826281345242784909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-29228663451414415852012-06-27T18:26:50.193-04:002012-06-27T18:26:50.193-04:00This is the logical conclusion of TOs thinking the...This is the logical conclusion of TOs thinking they know better and putting in "house rules" to patch the game. <br /><br />The first and most prevalent example is to bar Imperial Armour units and lists (officially produced rules published by the publisher of the game).<br /><br />The next seems to be playing with victory conditions, all for what? To prevent draws? Rather than adding things like soft scores and "comp" to evaluate tournament participation, they have insisted on changing the victory conditions of the published game, instead.<br /><br />These issues existed before sixth and will, if TO self-confidence in rule writing continues, grow as a problem (as you predict). I agree that the consequence is a deviation between how people play 40k casually and how it is played in tournaments, and that it provides a barrier to entering the tournament scene. Whether that is for good or ill is, I suppose, up to the TO and his participants.<br /><br />Of course, the Rogue Trader League I played in in 1996 barred special characters, so perhaps these sorts of things are as old as the game.A.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05659580454297240600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-37682819364974142572012-06-27T10:50:06.980-04:002012-06-27T10:50:06.980-04:00The 2nd FoC thing has ALWAYS been in the rules. T...The 2nd FoC thing has ALWAYS been in the rules. The points value has just shifted each time. The "standard game size" seems to change along with it.<br /><br />I still will say that I think people are getting overly worked up. While I have not rumor-hunted as much as many others, I can say that from what I have seen, about every large rumor (as far as details at the very least) has come with another detail that contradicts it. Perhaps they're falsies leaked, perhaps their old/new versions... maybe it's all just crap.<br /><br />Also, I have $180 of flyers (real flyers) that sit on my shelf 90% of games... probably more. And as scratchbuilt DE superheavy. And however many spare points of models that I don't use above 2k regularly. Not a huge deal.<br /><br />Final answer... if you're so worried about it, why not just go to the tournaments that support the style of play you like instead of acting like you have to ZOMG HIT every SINGle one!!11!!oneAnonymous Foodiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14362829012549159278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-11225671986658799442012-06-26T21:36:30.093-04:002012-06-26T21:36:30.093-04:00Hater... :P
I'll be in some corner... trying ...Hater... :P<br /><br />I'll be in some corner... trying to think of something profound to write before you or SandWyrm!<br /><br />CKSplinter https://www.blogger.com/profile/01570072865511086389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-88173953496614253382012-06-26T20:02:39.036-04:002012-06-26T20:02:39.036-04:00Ya know. I'm generally not like this but feel ...Ya know. I'm generally not like this but feel I need to type it. I was going to type up a long and detailed post but realized halfway thru that nothing I say is going to influence you Sandwyrm. You're very obviously unhappy with GW and 40k. You have a view of the game and community that I, simply, find hard to understand. My suggestion? Walk away. From the books, rules, forums, the whole bit. Give yourself a few months 100% away from 40k. Play FoW which you obviously love. Look at it again once it's settled out and if you still don't like it don't sweat it.<br />.<br />What you've been doing for the last year only serves to further divide the community instead of enhancing or healing it so go play a game you love and that you can provide a positive influence on. You're a good dude but the constant whiney tone of your posts and generally negativity annoy the hell out of me. Just my two cents.Hulksmashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06417830994213666149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-77659994782663183302012-06-26T17:22:32.937-04:002012-06-26T17:22:32.937-04:00I agree with you Sam. Where some people are optimi...I agree with you Sam. Where some people are optimist others are not. I firmly believes that this may affect a certain amount of competitive players to not like that they could be put on an even playing field, but it will give a greater amount of average players the opporutnity to feel better about their army. And with confidence will come more play from existing players. Plus new players will be able to add some of this and some of that.Spaguatyrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09459803772469387289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-53341948531308422002012-06-26T17:05:10.907-04:002012-06-26T17:05:10.907-04:00SinSynn loves underboob.
friggin' loves underb...SinSynn loves underboob.<br />friggin' loves underboob.<br /><br />lolFarmpunkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622091234212120598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-1010996472407656412012-06-26T16:54:29.140-04:002012-06-26T16:54:29.140-04:00Sorry, when I said "everyone," I didn...Sorry, when I said "everyone," I didn't mean every faction. I meant every player. If you've labelled yourself as a Xenos player and see this as another imperial only buff, fine. Personally, it doesn't bother me that the combos favour imperials.<br /><br />If had Tau models I'd be thrilled at the possibility of adding troops that don't suck to my suits. I look forward to adding some Eldar to my Dark Eldar (especially if Fortune works on them). It sucks that I can't ally Tyranids with anyone because I really want to build a Trygon and Flyrant to go with my Space Hulk genestealers. Alas.<br /><br />In an ideal world everyone should be able to ally with everyone, but we didn't get that for whatever dumb reason. There's still so many fun combos to explore that I'm not so upset. Think of it as getting dozens of new codexes.Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02508176837870005041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-50393904633761940252012-06-26T16:42:46.364-04:002012-06-26T16:42:46.364-04:00Yeah, but you're just a mindless hater like me...Yeah, but you're just a mindless hater like me. ;)<br /><br />You can't possibly enjoy that other game where it's just humans on humans with butt-loads of different tanks and guns. Marines on Marines is so much more fun and different!SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-18406764551162571442012-06-26T16:18:58.708-04:002012-06-26T16:18:58.708-04:00"EVERYONE has powerful combos available to th..."EVERYONE has powerful combos available to them if they want them" That's the thing, everyone does not. Imperials who already work just fine, have amazing synergy. The xenos don't get amazing synergy because they are "worried about betrayal". <br />Oh, and my tyranids are laughing at the everyone gets combos, that was funny :\TheGraveMindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202256201375802641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-68609625884821526882012-06-26T16:11:03.862-04:002012-06-26T16:11:03.862-04:00I loved this post.
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LOVED IT.I loved this post.<br />Friggin.'<br />LOVED IT.SinSynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12352693991857976930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-16598409076604146542012-06-26T15:40:52.928-04:002012-06-26T15:40:52.928-04:00Tournaments are a limited resource. If the supply ...Tournaments are a limited resource. If the supply of tournaments is divided by 2 or 3 as a result of rules interpretations and preferences, you'll have more events available to go to than if they're divided by 6 or 7.<br /><br />It could literally be the difference between attending one regional event per month and only attending an event once every 3-4 months. Net effect: You have fewer events that you want to play in and your fun suffers as a result. Either that or you end up spending more cash on toys so that you can handle multiple types of events.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-70272125937555764422012-06-26T15:08:24.652-04:002012-06-26T15:08:24.652-04:00The thing is that it doesn't matter how many d...The thing is that it doesn't matter how many different types of 40k there ends up being... because at the end of the day, you do not have to play the type you don't want to. If different tournaments or events use different rules then people will literally vote with their wallets and simply not go to events that use rules they don't want to play. Then it is a simple case of supplying for the demand. If it is found that tournaments that use the allies rules are not popular, or conversely those that do not are popular, then organisers will use their brains and say "well... if I want people to come then I have to use the more popular combination".<br /><br />I really don't see the issue here?Luis Nieveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16104268520391688183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-54575562011408618852012-06-26T13:34:18.219-04:002012-06-26T13:34:18.219-04:00Allies would be fine if every faction had access t...Allies would be fine if every faction had access to every other. But the Imperial factions have advantages not only in the numbers of available allies, but in their ability to share transports and special rules with them.<br /><br />That just makes Imperials MORE powerful compared to Xenos and ensures that you'll only see Xenos, if at all, played with Guard or Marines in the force.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-74121588248182482932012-06-26T13:18:50.017-04:002012-06-26T13:18:50.017-04:00I'm apparently in the minority here, but I cou...I'm apparently in the minority here, but I couldn't be more excited about Allies, and 6th in general. I don't see SW + Scouts + Mephiston as rules abuse at all. First, because it's IN THE RULES, and second, all it does is give you a good unit. There are tonnes of good units available, and none are as doom and gloom as many people think.<br /><br />(It seems to be true that for any 40k unit there is someone who complains that it is OP. I remember lining up a Flamestorm Baal predator and being told that it was cheese. C'mon guy...)<br /><br />Allies lead to powerful lists, yes. But rather than being abuse, I see that as awesome. EVERYONE has powerful combos available to them if they want them (yes, I get that there's a financial cost, but that's unavoidable). I guess I just don't understand the negative reactions. When I see Sanguinary Guard + Broadsides, I think that's amazing and I want to go buy Tau models. I don't think "OMG the Fluff!"Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02508176837870005041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-68887401048245282012012-06-26T12:53:34.216-04:002012-06-26T12:53:34.216-04:00I don't see how a TO could disallow fliers, si...I don't see how a TO could disallow fliers, since storm ravens, night scythes, and valkyries etc are all standard choices in the codex. I mean, christ, having a TO say, yes, your army is immortals in scythes, but you can't bring your dedicated transport, and since you don't have warriors, you can't ride in a transport, have fun!<br /><br />The downside is how to include fliers without the AA fire provided by player bought terrain. The only thing I can think of is including some AA fire on both sides of the table by default and ditching the option of buying some. We'll have to see.<br /><br />As for the question of broken allies, lets not get ahead of ourselves before we see FAQ's explaining Codex interactions. Some rules are obvious (Epidemius provides all nurgle marked units on the board with his tally benefits, regardless of which player controls them, obviously his rule affects allied units w/ MoN) others are not (Does Fateweaver's rule apply to an allies? What does "friendly" mean when allied?) and then there's the question of whether special characters can be allies. Currently we have more questions than answers.Occupy Terrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02585266186988933198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-8655213446220313192012-06-26T12:38:56.188-04:002012-06-26T12:38:56.188-04:00We're all going to have different opinions on ...We're all going to have different opinions on what should or shouldn't be allowed. That's my entire point. It creates more factions amongst players.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-64937988845914241832012-06-26T12:25:12.194-04:002012-06-26T12:25:12.194-04:00The only thing I can see being disallowed in tourn...The only thing I can see being disallowed in tournaments is Allies, because it's so abusable -which I'm sure is not how it was intended to be by the games creators.<br /><br />I'm running Space Wolves. Look, I can take Mephiston + 5 Scouts in my army now. Mephiston is the ultimate badass, so needs no explaining, and those 5 scouts are great at claiming my home objective and don't cost much. I'll combine them with my Aegis Defence Line with AA gun (for 50pts) - Thanks GW!<br /><br />So are you seeing what I'm saying? This isn't for fluff, it isn't to create some nice 'counts as' units. It's pure rule abuse.<br /><br />Or how about Fateweaver in a Chaos Marines army, letting them reroll all their armour saves. Big mob of Chaos Terminators led by Abaddon? Yes please!<br /><br />I don't see any real issues with anything else though. Although I am concerned about flyer heavy armies being fairly invulnerable to heavy weapons fire - Imperial Guard Valkyrie army anyone?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05601198507521547192noreply@blogger.com