tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post6690187653976648072..comments2024-02-16T18:32:38.635-05:00Comments on The Back 40K: GW Raises Prices Again... But This Time...Farmpunkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09622091234212120598noreply@blogger.comBlogger84125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-23248443519427875342013-06-10T01:57:14.720-04:002013-06-10T01:57:14.720-04:00First time poster. Been modeling for 40+ years. 4...First time poster. Been modeling for 40+ years. 40K for +25 years. Owned several businesses. I've done pre press and post production work. Invested in a retail complex next to a military base. I own 100 pounds of plastic bits. I can definitely afford this hobby. <br /><br />However I'm starting to believe the game is dying. Greed, plus not investing into the future by adapting to today's social and economic forms is what is causing the decline in it's customer base (IMHO). You have to continually cultivate your customer base in a positive approach. Games Workshop refuses to do this.<br /><br />I been reading Sandwyrm's articles for years and generally agree with his assessment in his writings. I will continue read the back 40K (as well as other respectable/important) sites and continue to assess the health of the miniature hobby as a whole. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-58544166740599231702013-06-09T20:23:29.218-04:002013-06-09T20:23:29.218-04:00'Tau and DA are ally-books, not something that...'Tau and DA are ally-books, not something that you can take as a primary and do real well with.' Wait, what? My friend Josh would disagree with you...he's won three of the last 4 tourneys we've attended all over michigan with varied players using a pure Tau list. He was a good player before, now he's a nightmare. (Saturday's Grand Rapids 20-man tourney ended with him vs another Tau player at table 1). The point being, in the hands of someone who understand's Tau's layered strenths and synergy, they are an army you can EASILY do well with . A lot of other Tau players have looked at his list and say a lot of his chocies are something they'd never take. But surprising a foe with unusual choices only goes so far...He usually tables them by turn 5. 40K + T&Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09058918571922538449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-73683135261613553992013-06-08T17:10:22.932-04:002013-06-08T17:10:22.932-04:00I'd say the army multiplier isn't a fixed ...I'd say the army multiplier isn't a fixed value. Some armies and especially certain builds of armies are very by-the-numbers and journeyman to play. They're solid but don't have much flexibility. Other armies are really flexible and have a much greater depth of tactics. They'll punish an average player and make them look bad. On the other hand, with a good player they'll let them really shine and look awesome.<br /><br />@ Spag, you still have a lot of options for a 4+ save. It's true that area terrain and intervening models now give a 5+ but as DE I hardly ever went into area terrain to start with. Any scenery that blocks line of sight gives a 4+ cover save. All the battlefield debris, ruins and so on give you that 4+ save like normal.<br /><br />Add onto that the 50% chance of night fighting and you've got a chance of 3+ and even 2+ cover saves on turn one without too many problems.<br /><br />DE seem really strong in this edition although the best way to stay alive is still to stay out of line of sight (or range by leveraging night shields)Koronahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08250234754318025124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-29649544916983014642013-06-07T18:51:22.729-04:002013-06-07T18:51:22.729-04:00I could see that a bit, but I don't think the ...I could see that a bit, but I don't think the gradient would be nearly that much. There are going to be some matchups that are harder, perhaps, and this is largely due to the idea that GW rolls out things over the course of a year or so rather than all at once.<br /><br />Thundercav were the big nasty when they first hit. A static toughness boost? Super-hard stats and a 3++ on one guy for 20 points gives the whole unit an inv?? Crazy!!!<br /><br />But now the T boost is universal. That single-shield trick doesn't work. I wouldn't think of them as a bad unit (cavalry even got a nice movement boost) but they don't shine like they used to.<br /><br />Necron flyer spam is another thing out there right now that a lot of armies have to learn to deal with. Best thing I've heard? Old-codex Saim Hain Eldar that just outmaneuvered them all game. Made me laugh pretty hard. Flyer fire arcs and such are extremely limited, though, and I don't think they're enforced very well (here, at least, not sure how tournaments stick them). Sometimes that's your best defense, though. Get close and make them fly off the table for lack of a better option. That's a lot of points to pay for something that shoots for three turns.<br />But even this will even out as AA units/options become more widespread. My DE have a nice cackle-y smile since a basic farseer can twin-link two Ravagers, and (maybe) Doom one of the enemy flyers. Sure I should only hit once, but it's with a good gun. Plus I'm building myself a quad-gun. And Eldar air support is still pretty wicked.<br /><br />And all of the above probably sounds more like I'm agreeing with you... I guess what I'm trying to say is that, unfortunately, there are a couple of builds which are "cheesy/broken", and take advantage of the fact that not everyone has "the AA update" (here's lookin' at you, Nids). Do I like it? No, but I can accept that GW doesn't turn around FAQ's or updates in a matter of days, it takes a couple of months. <br />Outside of a list where my only option is "hope for a 6", though, I don't think I'm suffering for not playing Imperial lists. And I'd like to at least try my hand vs a rock hard Necron list, to see if I can fare against it at all.<br /><br />And if nothing else, I know the first time we played (or at least the first time we did a batrep for the site) I tied your super-melta mounted IG with my peasley DE list... so I guess that means I'm a top notch player ;)Anonymous Foodiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14362829012549159278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-51664752622176227722013-06-07T14:17:30.559-04:002013-06-07T14:17:30.559-04:00I've always thought of the armies/codices as b...I've always thought of the armies/codices as being a multiplier for the player.<br /><br />So if the player is a 0.8, and the army is a 0.5, you get a 0.4 in performance.<br /><br />Whereas a 0.5 player with a 1.0 army (best possible) gets a 0.5 in performance. Beating the better player who's using the worse army.<br /><br />All armies take time to learn the intricacies of. Some just take longer than others. Which has little to do with their overall power potential (suckiness). An army can take a long time to learn to use well, and still suck.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-18107523386498161722013-06-07T08:42:17.172-04:002013-06-07T08:42:17.172-04:00I've said it before, I'll say it again... ...I've said it before, I'll say it again... there's a difference between "easy" and "good". They can be the same, and sometimes are (40k-wise), but it can also be quite the opposite.<br /><br />Granted, I don't know how long you spent with DE Spag, to get the full feel of the army and get past the learning curve (especially coming from highly durable armies). I have no doubt that you could, potentially, take them to "top tier" competitions and do well, because you're a great player.<br /><br />Armies like Eldar/Dark Eldar take time to learn properly. You're going to lose at first, and usually lose hard. The gutwrench reaction is not "what can I do better next time?", but rather "[Insert army] sucks, I'm buying Space Puppies". Because Space Wolves (and a few key others, we all know what they are) are far easier to play well. I'm not saying there aren't those who can just play them better or have more skill in general, but they're easier to pick up and do well with.<br /><br />This does not mean that those hard-to-learn armies don't have the same potential. But most competitive players (most) are the types who want the new hotness, who see the blank stats on paper and judge their army choice by that alone. Most competitive players are not willing to put in the time/effort to properly learn an army that takes more time or "finesse" to use. They want the quick and easy route, and there are plenty available.Anonymous Foodiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14362829012549159278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-78204852865904052682013-06-07T08:06:00.425-04:002013-06-07T08:06:00.425-04:00I would be playing dark eldar if their cover saves...I would be playing dark eldar if their cover saves were better than 5+ and I could ally more than eldar. I can still play them competitively but not at the top levels I compete in. And eldar will be fine. They are looking stronger by the day. It takes a good 3 months to really see. <br /><br />Straightforward like a guard gunline....Spaguatyrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09459803772469387289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-75644816979555048222013-06-07T07:22:37.224-04:002013-06-07T07:22:37.224-04:00@Foodie
You can tell me I'm wrong in 6 months...@Foodie<br /><br />You can tell me I'm wrong in 6 months if the Eldar hold up in play. <br /><br />But right now, all of my past 40K experience tells me that "Finesse" = suck. Else Spag would be beating face with his Dark Eldar instead of leaving them on the shelf.<br /><br />Why? Because 40K isn't a deep enough game, tactically, to support that kind of thing. Therefore all 40K armies need to be very straightforward on the table in how they play. SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-25739286237255883762013-06-07T07:16:10.475-04:002013-06-07T07:16:10.475-04:00Yeah, never cite a BoLS review. They're always...Yeah, never cite a BoLS review. They're always deliberately positive. Because that puts more eyes on ads.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-89271081626036441432013-06-07T07:14:46.827-04:002013-06-07T07:14:46.827-04:00Thanks for the invite, but I'm already going t...Thanks for the invite, but I'm already going to be vacationing that week.<br /><br />We can toss dice any other time you like, but since I don't have an army built for 40K anymore, I'll probably try and talk you into trying out my game instead. :)SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-82753120867216515202013-06-06T20:51:22.389-04:002013-06-06T20:51:22.389-04:00I'm fairly stoked about Eldar. I haven't ...I'm fairly stoked about Eldar. I haven't held the book, but can tell you most of the rules at this point... and I care enough thanks to allies that I'm thinking pretty hard about what I can do with them.<br /><br />Bladestorm is an amazing rule for a basic gun. Dire Avengers were a pretty good troop for the cost, and now for a point more you get Battle Focus (which both alleviates the gun range, and allows for some serious tactical options) and, more or less, Rending on your basic gun (sans extra vehicle killing). Even Guardians can put out some serious hurt at close range due to the BS increase. Sure, they're more expensive, but I'd say they're worth the points now (on par with a DE Warrior moreso than they've ever been).<br /><br />No more runes make me sad, but Eldar at least get a 5+ Deny in a lot of places (thanks to Warlocks) so they still have a moderate defense. Same with Dragons costing more... the cheapest, best toys are likely to go. It happens.<br /><br />I'm torn between the Crimson Hunter (all out offense) and the Nightwing (good offense, amazing jink capability) for my allied flyer. Of course, the Nightwing is only if my opponent will allow 40k legal forgeworld... but if you read over all of those, they're not the crazy stuff you find in Apoc-only units.<br /><br />And now everyone can guide twice at a decent range, more or less. Dear friendly farseer on a jetbike, please make my dark lances extra kill everything, even flyers. <br /><br />Kthxbai<br /><br />Srsly though... yes, it's still a finesse army, and you have to work it in conjunction with common sense and some good moves. But a whole lot of terrible units became good, without a lot of great units getting uber-nerfed. I'm eager to play it, play against it, and just see how it goes.Anonymous Foodiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14362829012549159278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-89355590182762161652013-06-06T20:12:49.402-04:002013-06-06T20:12:49.402-04:00I'd have been stunned if Reese had written ANY...I'd have been stunned if Reese had written ANYTHING BUT a review drooling over how awesomesauce something GW put out was. He beams over pretty much anything they do with the elation and adulation of a young parent at the first time little Timmy takes a dump near a toilet.<br />yes, it might be a step in the right direction, but there's still a turd on the floor.<br /><br />yes, I cheered when both of my girls finally put the poop in the potty.<br /><br />Like CaulynDarr astutely pointed out, There's a fine line to objectivity.Farmpunkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622091234212120598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-38804623856165982052013-06-06T19:23:12.109-04:002013-06-06T19:23:12.109-04:00You mean the review that says that since there are...You mean the review that says that since there are 3 good things in the codex we have to ignore the 72 bad things or else we're a bunch of cry babies? There's just as much danger in being always positive as being always negative.CaulynDarrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556761303500891267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-56329488696642809872013-06-06T18:13:13.828-04:002013-06-06T18:13:13.828-04:00Here's a different view of Eldar from another ...Here's a different view of Eldar from another self-described competitive player:<br />http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2013/06/40k-thar-be-eldars-about-battle-report.html<br />I endorse this messageKoronahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08250234754318025124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-67854102297434335802013-06-06T16:34:19.767-04:002013-06-06T16:34:19.767-04:00To quote an old song, “Love is in the air.” :-)
I...To quote an old song, “Love is in the air.” :-)<br /><br />I’m somewhat new to the hobby. Maybe a year and a half now. While it’s true that the prices do frustrate me (and that’s why I just scratch build a lot of my toys), the game is fantastic.<br /> <br />Do I wish 40K had as big a following as MTG? Sure. Thankfully, however, there is enough interest at large to keep me on my toes. And for my own gaming needs (as myopic as it might be), it is proving sufficiently interesting. <br /> <br />Tippcon is coming up, SandWyrm. How about dusting off the miniatures and tossing some dice? <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07772678032258690027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-14103364237564129572013-06-06T16:08:54.985-04:002013-06-06T16:08:54.985-04:00For what it's worth Sandwyrm, I think you'...For what it's worth Sandwyrm, I think you're a tad out of touch/have blinders on to what 40k is actually like right now. Not meant as a dig, just an observation of someone who still actively plays/participates in a region which is thriving for 40k. It's very hard to judge the health of a game when you don't actually play it anymore, and though you mentioned "tearing things apart to make them better is just who i am!" I think in cases like this, you're just tearing things apart, with none of the "making them better" part.<br /><br />I've played actively for many many years, in many different east coast regions/gaming groups, and have seen this with every edition shift - some areas thrived, some died. When 5th began a few vocal members of my group in PA basically hated it, and said the game was broken and it was terrible and switched to war machine, but continued to bad mouth the game. Slowly but surely the negativity around that just drug the local scene down until it basically died off - but as we both know, 5th edition was probably the most thriving time period for GTs, RTT's, and most other 40k gaming communities. These guys generally were the ones who couldn't or wouldn't adapt to the changes, got frustrated with the game, and let it sour them to the hobby.<br /><br />6th came along, and I saw some regions do that, but I saw far more regions resurge. Around here (DC area) there was plenty of initial grumbling, but now people are very on board and enjoying 6th, and it's even brought back some old friends that had quit during 5th ed. From a GT perspective, imo the hobby scene has never been better - despite what Stelek would have you believe. I hate to say it, but either he doesn't want to, or he refuses to understand/give 6th a chance, and that site has went to the garbage can in the last year/year and a half. He posts up absolutely horrid, would never work lists as "the most broken but boring thing ever and this is why 40k is terrible now" that make no sense in 6th ed. At some point, he'll (and you'll probably) have to either hang up the hate/critic hat, or just get on board and give it a chance, not doing so will probably drive you crazy, and it does nothing but hurt the community at large.<br /><br />It's a bit silly to have essentially "GW rose prices - they suck!" and "GW isn't raising prices - they suck!" and "It takes them forever to update a codex - they suck!" and "they're updating codexes too fast - they suck!". As far as in game balance goes, it's really never been better. Yes, there are a few broken units, but by and large every new book has been legitimate and worth playing, and has included some interesting/fun new units - not copy and pastes.<br /><br />Just my .02 for what it's worth!Andrew Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12915743868665062191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-78133226760333074732013-06-06T09:31:26.663-04:002013-06-06T09:31:26.663-04:00"How do you know the books are copy and paste..."How do you know the books are copy and paste? You don't play the game."<br /><br />People I trust the opinion of (Stelek, CaulynDarr, others) are saying this. They also back this up with examples and logic that make sense.<br /><br />The guys that like it are guys that I know to be more casual and laid back. They like almost everything. So I keep that in mind when they praise the book. Because they're talking more about their feelings and hope for the book, than what's actually in the book. <br /><br />That doesn't mean that they're wrong, because they get different things from the game than I would, and that's fine. But I have to look to their level of excitement compared to other books to gauge their reaction, AND keep in mind the falloff in that excitement over time.<br /><br />So in summary: The logical types are critical of the new book. While the more casual types are less enthusiastic in their praise than usual. Taken together, that means a weak release. I've also looked at some scans of the new book, and can see tell-tail signs of a rushed development. Such as 'rules' that look more like quick notes that were never updated.<br /><br />Remember Spag, I've made games for a living. I'm a multi-disciplinary designer. It's what I am, and what I do. I'm even writing my own tabletop game right now. <br /><br />That means that I notice things, and care about things, that most players don't. In the same way that a movie director can't watch a film without mentally deconstructing it. Because he's just as interested in the process behind the film's creation as he is in the story or visuals.<br /><br />It also means that I know how to gauge reactions to a design, and look past what people are saying to what they're also not saying.<br /><br />As for the North Store...<br /><br />The change of day hurt 40K attendance. But that was more than 2 years ago now, and we were pulling in 6-8 guys routinely before 6th hit. Even so, the change of day in one store would not affect the rest of the stores in the city. Except that (if 6th were really popular), those players would be going to another store to play. Well, where are they?SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-86627337143329467022013-06-06T09:03:35.788-04:002013-06-06T09:03:35.788-04:00That is pretty funny, he needs a loincloth back th...That is pretty funny, he needs a loincloth back there. :)<br /><br />The back of that tank looks nice through. Might be a good Chimera stand-in.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-70894688019846372852013-06-06T09:00:31.317-04:002013-06-06T09:00:31.317-04:00Maybe we can get CaulynDarr to write something up ...Maybe we can get CaulynDarr to write something up on kickstarters. He knows a lot more about the process than I do.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-25103406709261759422013-06-06T08:49:58.836-04:002013-06-06T08:49:58.836-04:0040K reached the tipping point on affordability for...40K reached the tipping point on affordability for me. I can't afford to keep up with the joneses.<br />I had enough stuff to field 2.5, maybe 3 armies. With the racheting up of model prices, it got to be too much. When GW was more or less expecting that I would go out and buy the rulebook, then start shooting out $50 codexes... I felt it was time to leave.<br />I didn't care about GK's anymore, and GW hasn't given me great reasons to keep liking Sisters (PDF codex was disappointing. I'd have needed to go buy more stuff and/or resign to playing with the mid-power codexes). They took a lot of what I thought was 'cool' about DH, WH, and IG, and made it vanilla. Kind of bland.<br />I still find it ironic that many of the people who shrieked about Inquisitorial allies rules being 'unfair', and not fluffy started touting them loudly when the doors were opened for everyone to ally.<br /><br />GW is out of my price range for a 'casual' game. I'm not even going to talk about how much it would cost to maintain competitiveness and buy the good units out of the newest codexes to get the best allies options.<br />I find a lot of GW's work to be sloppy, careless design, and not worth my money.<br />I don't need to persist in a 'sunk cost fallacy'<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_costs#Loss_aversion_and_the_sunk_cost_fallacy<br />http://www.lifehack.org/articles/communication/how-the-sunk-cost-fallacy-makes-you-act-stupid.html<br /><br />When I'm not getting enough return on my investment, it's time to cut bait and leave.<br /><br />There are other games out there that can fulfill the same entertainment desire much more affordably. I enjoy the settings.<br />I actually find that other companies have written higher quality rules, and I can afford to play their game.<br /><br />sure GW got me into miniature wargaming. sure, there might be some sour grapes over spending a lot of money on a hobby only to find I'm sort of expected to go spend more all the time.<br /><br />Jervis and the design team have stated they want the Warhammer experience to be an elite gaming experience. <br />good for them. I don't have an elite budget.<br /><br />so I sold and left.<br />I don't have the love blinders on for GW anymore. I also don't post about them much. There are a lot of people who get too offended when they hear dissenting opinions about their ...precious.<br />so when a post goes up trying to look at why GW has done something, people get knee-jerk defensive, and attack for our pondering why GW might do something. We're curious about the motives.<br /><br />I think GW is preparing for a sale.<br /><br />I will want to talk about what that means to the 40K hobby, even if I am no longer 'in' that hobby.<br /><br />I play Flames of War now. Flames of War is cool.Farmpunkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622091234212120598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-47335655558305490182013-06-06T06:25:59.637-04:002013-06-06T06:25:59.637-04:00How do you know the books are copy and paste? You ...How do you know the books are copy and paste? You don't play the game. That's right because you are being critical of something you don't like for.... well not sure why besides you like to tear something apart and fix it. I respect you like to make things better and I do read your dialogues. But you have no basis besides what other bloggers are saying. Foodie and others communicate they like 6th edition and they feel the rules are better balanced. <br /><br />The north store got 2-3 players a week once they changed the day anyways. Yes there is drop off and I realize that. People change, life changes, and things ebb and flow. I have seen a lot of new players coming from the south side, new players showing up on the west as well. Saltire has a monthly apoc game that has driven traffic. Unfotunately my new job has limited my playing time and ability to help run events. But I can get games every weekend that I am off without really calling ahead. <br /><br />I don't always like what I get from either my football team, or GW, or the government in with Blowboma. I can still enjoy the good things we have and ADAPT to the situation. I feel that is the issue. The inability to adapt and overcome the situation. When my kids don't listen and become rebelious as they get older I can be critical but have to care about their development to help make them better. If that is the way you feel towards Apple, or GW, or whoever I see you rant about then great. But if I am correct you still use your ipad right?<br /><br />And how do you know that GW needs more designers? How do you know that the product they are putting out is exactly what their business plan dictates?Spaguatyrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09459803772469387289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-26284790812286718462013-06-06T02:59:54.424-04:002013-06-06T02:59:54.424-04:00The DV starter set was a really good deal.
To be ...The DV starter set was a really good deal.<br /><br />To be realistic though, stock shortages can mean a lot of things. <br /><br />We'll see what the numbers are in July. My bet is that their profits will be about the same, maybe a few points higher.<br /><br />I will agree though that anyone looking for "justice" from a GW fall is going to be waiting a long time. I don't see them falling anytime soon.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-40215404067528541902013-06-06T02:51:09.970-04:002013-06-06T02:51:09.970-04:00I do appreciate the speed at which new books are b...I do appreciate the speed at which new books are being released. But I also want them to be GOOD books too. In your business, is it a good thing if your workers go too fast, and the quality of the product drops? Driving away your loyal customers?<br /><br />To do it right, GW needs to double or triple the number of designers it has. But its not doing that, so we get weak copy-paste codices that look great, but are poorly designed.<br /><br />(So speed good. Definite improvement there. Quality not so good. Hope they fix that. Still worried that GW is shooting its wad too fast. Might mean trouble. Hope not.)<br /><br />As for Adepticon, it draws the top couple of percent from every region. Their numbers are going to be good no matter what the rest of the playerbase is doing. <br /><br />Which from where I sit in Indy, isn't so good. West side is all but dead for 40K. Both it and the North Store are getting 2-3 players per week (~20% of 5th Ed peak). South Store (according to guys there) is dead for 40K, but booming for Warmachine and Dust. Gamerz never does anything but monthly Apoc. Saltire has gone Dust. I suppose the GW shop is doing fine though.<br /><br />Given that Indy has the healthiest gaming community (6 large game stores) of any city I've ever lived in, I really do think that the current drop in players means something. I'm glad that some of the outlying areas are picking up. But they weren't all that strong, player-wise, to start with. <br /><br />By fan, I presume that you mean someone that loves something uncritically, and will support that thing no matter what it does. <br /><br />Well, I'm a fan of my family. That's it. Everything else gets analyzed and critiqued. Actually, my family does too, but they enjoy it. :)SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-1291020000465351642013-06-06T02:36:31.301-04:002013-06-06T02:36:31.301-04:00I personally dont think GW is doing poorly from a ...I personally dont think GW is doing poorly from a sales stand point. I place a weekly order with them and they hardly have all the trade items I need because they cant keep them in stock. I think 6th overall has been huge for them. I sold have sold 120+ starters since it came out. When I was still selling online I did $6000 in the 2 weeks after Dark Angels came out. Im not a GW fan boy. I love 40k mostly for the story and models. All that being said I hate their business practices and sometimes wish they would bite them in the ass but I dont think thats happening. Also dont forget that Forge World has been knocking it out of the park with the Horus Heresy release not to mention that the Black Library is doing extremely well. Now with all that in mind they might still be screwing up and not making money but its not form lack of sales.Master of the Mallethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17755633171128990342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-9428317001374124652013-06-06T02:29:01.402-04:002013-06-06T02:29:01.402-04:00Spag, I'm not sure why you would say this isn&...Spag, I'm not sure why you would say this isn't personal, and then insinuate that I'm up Stelek's butt, or that my info is "Junk err..." something else. Because that's not how you talk when you're being friendly. It's how you talk when you're being deliberately insulting and trying to score 'points'.<br /><br />Go look at Foodie's comments. THAT'S how you put forth a contrary view without making it personal. I appreciate Foodie's comments, because I like to hear contrary views, and he does it well. Without calling our friendship into question as he tells me I'm wrong.<br /><br />You're all worked up about the post label, but that's just a LABEL. If someone clicks on it, they get all of my GW-critical posts. From the ranty ones last year, to the more dispassionate ones I've put out since. Which give props to GW in certain things, are critical of others, and which recently have focused on figuring out why GW does the things it does. But the LABEL is not the POST Spag. Its just a way for folks to find the content. <br /><br />"Why is it that you have to know the why of everything? Why is it when they do something that is good for some of the community your response is, 'yeah but...'"<br /><br />Why do I have to know the 'why' behind a particular move by a company? Because that's who I am Spag. Full stop. If you can't handle that, then you can't handle me as a person. I rip systems of all kinds apart to see how they work. Then I start improving them. Because it's fun, and I'm very good at it.<br /><br />That's my personality, and I don't know why you're complaining when I agreed with you that this move by GW is a good thing for us and them. <br /><br />"After every post that didn't agree with your assessment is an acknowledgement of the writers comment(great writing skills)and then a "but" and skeptic remark. Really?"<br /><br />You would rather that I NOT show respect for others' opinions? That I not show appreciation for what they have to say? That I just dismiss them and call them idiots instead of letting them shape my understanding of an issue as we talk here? I don't get it Spag. What's the point of this? It really just seems like you're grasping here. Even as you're doing exactly what you're accusing me of.<br /><br />As for Dodger...<br /><br />Instead of coming up with a thoughtful comment, he insults me in the most patronizing way possible. Which can be summed up as "Sandwyrm is a big bad meanie that hates GW. Look! He's so funny!". No insight. No new info. The comment contributed nothing to the discussion, and seemed designed to play to a peanut gallery that's no longer all that critical of me. <br /><br />"Sandwyrm, all companies are short sided and greedy."<br /><br />Not all. Some are greedy and far-sighted (Apple). Some just like to make good products, and avoid outsourcing because that would hurt their employees (Mag-Lite). <br /><br />So when a particular company is being a douche, don't just wave it away. Expect better of them. I'm all for capitalism, free enterprise, and making lots of money. But that doesn't mean I don't also want companies to be moral, well-run, and beneficial to their customers instead of predatory. <br /><br />And yes... I know that there's complexities in the way large businesses are run. That's the best parts of what you just wrote. Lets concentrate on that instead of my being a poo-poo head. It's much more interesting. :) SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.com