tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post9006514418338316799..comments2024-02-16T18:32:38.635-05:00Comments on The Back 40K: Ensuring Honest Rolling (Or... The Geek That Kicked The Hornets' Nest) - UpdatedFarmpunkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09622091234212120598noreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-59532345362010482342012-04-20T00:14:56.230-04:002012-04-20T00:14:56.230-04:00Ok I understand a little bit of it, but I'm ne...Ok I understand a little bit of it, but I'm never going to ask the person im playing to follow all these guidelines and expect them not to look at me and say "No thanks, I think I'll play someone else".GravyGhosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15869467287754867309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-84181687438064332052012-04-19T04:07:14.921-04:002012-04-19T04:07:14.921-04:00Cocked dice and dice you can read should be the li...Cocked dice and dice you can read should be the limit. Dice that fall off the table get re-rolled. Tell me what you're rolling for. Let me see the results before you pick them up. Pick up all the hits or all the misses., and don't cahnge which for the reset of the game. Who cares about diff sized dice? If they rolled the dice and they didn't roll, then tell them to re-roll and call bullshit if they refuse.40K + T&Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09058918571922538449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-29555475090698760542012-04-18T23:59:02.116-04:002012-04-18T23:59:02.116-04:00Read the new improved "guidelines" (whic...Read the new improved "guidelines" (which sounds friendlier than "rules"), and I approve.TheNeverTherehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00546704663653589055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-56282261494839987422012-04-18T23:56:08.894-04:002012-04-18T23:56:08.894-04:00Well, the thing about glyphed dice is that even wh...Well, the thing about glyphed dice is that even when made by the same company for the same event, they don't always have the glyph in the same spot. For example, a common dice here in Indy is the GenCon dice. This one company hands them out each year at GenCon with the GenCon followed by the date on one of the numbers. I myself have a small little collection going, and have noticed that between years, the glyph isn't always on the 6. I believe my '09 d6 has the glyph on the 1 spot instead. I also know a guy who has d6's with a demon glyph on the 1s spot. Granted, with glyphs they're usually gonna be on the 1 or the 6, the difference is still huge, so the potential is there.TheNeverTherehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00546704663653589055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-15743464973054519202012-04-18T23:45:19.423-04:002012-04-18T23:45:19.423-04:00I don't mean that game's shouldn't hav...I don't mean that game's shouldn't have any rules, just that too many can make it into more of a chore than a pass-time. "Too many cooks spoil the broth" as it were.TheNeverTherehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00546704663653589055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-53970759286740917972012-04-18T22:56:11.296-04:002012-04-18T22:56:11.296-04:00This is what people don't get. Being civil doe...This is what people don't get. Being civil doesn't mean you have to be anal about the way you shuffle your cards or anything but say you are playing magic with a friend and you have clear-back plastic, that's cool. But if you go to a tournement (a real one by wotc or one who follow their tourney rules), you have to use single colored backings that you can't see through, so no markings can be made. You also have to place your cards in game a certain way, the removed from play another way and your graveyard another. <br /><br />That's not being an ass, nor forcing people to buy another set of plastics, it's just setting a neutral set of simple rules to prevent any foul play - or feeling of being cheated, which are even worse than being cheated on a game....Rafael "Balangaz"https://www.blogger.com/profile/05908329716121835117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-23529616827631167982012-04-18T21:26:54.383-04:002012-04-18T21:26:54.383-04:00Well done. ;)Well done. ;)Col. Acklandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14103880865894526372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-70113745281161621402012-04-18T21:20:13.912-04:002012-04-18T21:20:13.912-04:00@Spaguatyrine and Everyone else: My point is its n...@Spaguatyrine and Everyone else: My point is its not about cheating, its about using good habits. So yeah if I was playing risk competitively I might not pile all my pieces on top of each other so my opponent can't tell how many there are- not that that is cheating. <br /> I roll MY dice in a manner that shows I'M playing sportingly. I go out of MY way ensure I am being fair and reasonable to my opponent. <br /> Games played between men should be played in a Gentlemanly fashion. This is where young boys learn good sportsmanship. And this isn't just 'Game' skills this is life skills. Its ok to play to win, but beat people soundly or risk going to jail. <br /> So YES, if we need guidelines on what is sporting and fair, if we need to point out what is and isn't gentlemanly then so be it!!Col. Acklandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14103880865894526372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-14743053963279356132012-04-18T21:10:43.443-04:002012-04-18T21:10:43.443-04:00And I never would be. Just like MVB I would never...And I never would be. Just like MVB I would never play a wargame with these type of restrictions.Spaguatyrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09459803772469387289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-52324139046327838702012-04-18T18:49:45.874-04:002012-04-18T18:49:45.874-04:00> leave a casino-style legal rolling area in th...> leave a casino-style legal rolling area in the blank space.<br /><br />There's a neater solution: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dice_tower<br />I'm not suggesting rules should mandate it, but maybe tournaments could provide some?Alan Bragginshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11011018735846420368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-36669159605473144952012-04-18T15:52:21.379-04:002012-04-18T15:52:21.379-04:00I've seen an enormous amount of activity that ...I've seen an enormous amount of activity that is accused of being dice cheating, and isn't even remotely close to it. I also almost NEVER see people complain at events about it ... they wait until they are on a blog or forum afterward and firmly swear about how awful it was.<br /><br />I would not play a wargame that had detailed rules about what dice I could or could not use, or even felt it made any sense to have such rules in place.<br /><br />I don't really mind attending a tournament that has dice restrictions and rules in place, but I think it's a little silly to include in a printed rulebook.Mike Brandt; mvbrandt@gmailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00818846784767602047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-27830570184966864852012-04-18T14:25:55.665-04:002012-04-18T14:25:55.665-04:00I've re-written the rules based on the feedbac...I've re-written the rules based on the feedback here. They're summarized up at the end of the original post.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-78954566959659318032012-04-18T11:57:08.874-04:002012-04-18T11:57:08.874-04:00Sharing one player's dice, though, would be fi...Sharing one player's dice, though, would be fine for pick-up games and achieves the same result. Or if you have distinctive dice just pooling them would work too.<br /><br />That really eliminates most of the issues.Koronahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08250234754318025124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-29784183290281571212012-04-18T10:13:45.548-04:002012-04-18T10:13:45.548-04:00Why is it that the comments from locals are so neg...Why is it that the comments from locals are so negative? Most of which use different sizes for specific rolling! Yeah I use different colors and sizes of dice, but none of which are set aside for anything in specific. I use any of them for every kind of roll I make, but lately have been bringing one set of dice and only using them. Why would anyone be so unwilling to use one set of dice? Some of you sound pretty self-incriminating by the comments you have made.<br /><br />I agree that there should be "rules" for dice and what is acceptable rolling. I also agree with some of the above content about the aforementioned "rules" are a bit too much. Distance travelled is probably the biggest issue, but conforming to only using certain sizes should not offend anyone.<br /><br />IMHO if you are not or will not be a "cheater" then abiding by a few simple rules is the least you can do to show that!ScottyDonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06931785235160074787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-87014666691399898512012-04-18T09:45:58.451-04:002012-04-18T09:45:58.451-04:00Call it a character flaw if you like, but I don...Call it a character flaw if you like, but I don't believe in ignoring problems.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-47468656110244398782012-04-18T09:44:51.113-04:002012-04-18T09:44:51.113-04:00LOL!LOL!SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-63116397286054035282012-04-18T09:43:13.894-04:002012-04-18T09:43:13.894-04:00You don't think that a competition-focused rul...You don't think that a competition-focused ruleset should address the issue?SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-75702567861789647422012-04-18T09:42:02.534-04:002012-04-18T09:42:02.534-04:00Any more doable restrictions?Any more doable restrictions?SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-91709168031699779042012-04-18T09:36:53.521-04:002012-04-18T09:36:53.521-04:00I'm not opposed to the Glyphs because they unb...I'm not opposed to the Glyphs because they unbalance the odds. Truth is, it's VERY hard to get true randomness without a minimum travel, number of bounces, and whatnot that's very hard to do on a 6x4 table that's full of terrain and models. So having Glyphs or not isn't going to make an appreciable difference to what number comes up.<br /><br />No, the problem is readability and the creation of opportunities for suspicion.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-82797842982338772902012-04-18T09:32:15.544-04:002012-04-18T09:32:15.544-04:00Thanks for the kind words Colonel. :)
@Spag
So y...Thanks for the kind words Colonel. :)<br /><br />@Spag<br /><br />So your fun would be drained if all your dice had to be of the same size? I find that hard to believe. You're just not used to the idea.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-8102678684311643942012-04-18T09:28:44.743-04:002012-04-18T09:28:44.743-04:00GameScience are NOT the same quality now as they w...GameScience are NOT the same quality now as they were several years ago before they were bought out. They really, truly are not. Yours might be excellent quality, but buying them now is a literal gamble.Loquacioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01667591498679385934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-90234129245915137772012-04-18T09:26:33.574-04:002012-04-18T09:26:33.574-04:00It's simple, but requires a dice tower. Cups a...It's simple, but requires a dice tower. Cups are everywhere, but a dice tower has to be made. <br /><br />I like the everyone uses the same dice idea.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-68787387137607421992012-04-18T09:23:44.528-04:002012-04-18T09:23:44.528-04:00That's a very reasonable answer.
The lay one ...That's a very reasonable answer.<br /><br />The lay one die on top of another thing isn't something I do (I re-roll any slightly cocked die). But it was suggested to me by someone I played once and seemed like a decent compromise between anything goes and arguing about whether a die is lying completely flat on the table.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-23478897197986301742012-04-18T09:21:28.150-04:002012-04-18T09:21:28.150-04:00Computers aren't an answer. All you need is so...Computers aren't an answer. All you need is someone to create an 'iCheat' app for the iPhone and we're back to uncertainty.<br /><br />And that's really the key thing here. We need to remove the uncertainty and the 2nd guessing from this part of the game. Part of respecting your opponent is not making them suspicious of the things you do.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-21017607950750188572012-04-18T09:17:49.434-04:002012-04-18T09:17:49.434-04:00That's a solution, but it's not one that w...That's a solution, but it's not one that would apply to competitive pick-up games. Nor would it be universally adopted. I really think that there need to be a set of base standards in the rules that set some expectations up front in a consistent way.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.com