tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post907389752970948972..comments2024-02-16T18:32:38.635-05:00Comments on The Back 40K: Kickstarter: The Gift that Keeps On Giving... DisappointmentFarmpunkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09622091234212120598noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-25477452669952405302015-07-29T12:17:11.285-04:002015-07-29T12:17:11.285-04:00Maybe the system hasn't performed well for min...Maybe the system hasn't performed well for miniatures. A number of award winning PC games have been launched on Kickstarter (Pillars of Eternity and Wasteland 2, to name a few). Board games as well (Zombicide and Conan). <br /><br />I'd say that it is harder to point towards an amazing miniatures kickstarter. Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04347207892827231148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-75031550529487440922015-07-28T17:28:17.475-04:002015-07-28T17:28:17.475-04:00Raging Heroes is still not fulfilled. Assaults.Raging Heroes is still not fulfilled. Assaults.Atreideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05304081312256836817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-5236675527173887582015-07-28T15:51:24.115-04:002015-07-28T15:51:24.115-04:00Yeah, I don't think the problem is so much Kic...Yeah, I don't think the problem is so much Kickstarter itself, so much as it is the expectations that everyone takes into it. As consumers mature in their understanding of how stuff gets made, producers will be forced to be more professional at all stages. <br /><br />I think if there's an outright Kickstarter hero-project, it would have to be the Star Trek Axanar film. It wouldn't exist without crowd funding, and the producers are going out of their way to communicate exactly what they're doing and where the money is going with line-item budget reports.<br /><br />https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/194429923/star-trek-axanar <br /><br />Of course it helps when the final product is digitally downloadable, and they can release teaser scenes as they're completed.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-16554820978605149482015-07-28T14:47:35.822-04:002015-07-28T14:47:35.822-04:00I normally dislike the majority of posts on thebac...I normally dislike the majority of posts on theback40k since 5th edition 40k, but this one is spot on. <br />Kickstarter is great for showing really cool ideas, and then letting the owners skip out on all the tough parts of a business, with no obligations. <br /><br />In the end I hope it makes a smarter consumer out of all of us. One that appreciates all the behind-the-scenes business crap that seems pointless.nelsonushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05714677080294526960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-90528636230807014682015-07-28T04:03:45.378-04:002015-07-28T04:03:45.378-04:00If there's a competition for the worst run kic...If there's a competition for the worst run kickstarter, have a look at Imbrian Arts.<br /><br />Three years later & most of us are still waiting for minis, get given a plethora of excuses for why it's taking so long and only ever provides updates when the backers start wondering if he's still alive!<br /><br />This guys pretty much made up my mind with kickstarter. I'll never go near it again.<br /><br /><br />Mr Papafakishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05449586265828153638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-53035844268867863982015-07-28T01:39:37.859-04:002015-07-28T01:39:37.859-04:00I have done 3 kickstaters
1- Big Box Terrain by An...I have done 3 kickstaters<br />1- Big Box Terrain by Angry Mojo Games- laser cut mdf terrain. I got ALOT of stuff at the exact quality they still produce. Only about a month late, but that is because their laser actually broke...<br />2- Gettysburg Playing Cards- on time and as described. But they were playing cards by an actual playing card company, so easy to do<br />3- Samurai Lords by Steel Fist Miniatures- So he is using KS to expand upon an existing range of super high quality metal minis. They have been delayed by some time those because of issues with the casters. Should ship this week. I know I am getting a quality product, but the time delay is just something I have had to accept.<br /><br />Basically I only use KS to buy components for existing games/ranges. Too many NEW things fail to deliverGothmoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06922420175418798099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-82411766927600051142015-07-27T20:57:21.233-04:002015-07-27T20:57:21.233-04:00There are plenty I didn't back that have also ...There are plenty I didn't back that have also been a train wreck. There's not one that I can think of where I've felt, "man, it's a shame that I missed that one."<br />CaulynDarrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556761303500891267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-56772448866248832352015-07-27T19:19:40.559-04:002015-07-27T19:19:40.559-04:00The average output of any industry as a whole is g...The average output of any industry as a whole is going to be kind of awful. What percentage of the movies released each year are any good? And how many of those are actually great? Answer: About 10% and 10%.<br /><br />I think you're down because you bet on the KS equivalents of Uwe Boll and Joel Schumacher. Robotech is cool and all, but you knew Palladium's reputation when you went in on it.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-65108887750061555792015-07-27T19:05:52.993-04:002015-07-27T19:05:52.993-04:00Personally, I wouldn't trust any game on KS th...Personally, I wouldn't trust any game on KS that isn't either dirt-cheap, but interesting sounding, or 80+% done and distributed as a beta already. If a KS includes miniatures, I pretty much just write off the chances of the tacked-on game being any good at all. Since it's the both the hardest part to pull off, and the easiest to skimp on.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-69719964107445166972015-07-27T16:17:36.995-04:002015-07-27T16:17:36.995-04:00True. And we shouldn't forget that traditional...True. And we shouldn't forget that traditional investors are horribly disappointed all the time by the results of what they put money into (see Battlefront and Dust for instance). We just don't normally see, or care about it as its hidden from us. KickStarter has expanded product "investing" to now include the gamers themselves, but as part of that we have to learn to become good investors.<br /><br />I've not yet been horribly disappointed by any of the 3 KS projects that I've backed, but as CaulynDarr points out, those have all been low-cost card games. Not promises of a bazillion awesome-sauce miniatures for a few hundred dollars. Expectations scale with cost.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-84672627073665071772015-07-27T13:48:21.425-04:002015-07-27T13:48:21.425-04:00I've never put money in I couldn't afford ...I've never put money in I couldn't afford to loose. And my expectations where for parity with average existing released projects, not the moon. For instance many of the relic knight models have practically no detail to their faces, their just a blob of plastic. Is too high expectation for miniatures to actually have faces? <br /><br />It's not so much about individual results, but the system failing to produce quality on average.CaulynDarrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556761303500891267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-14993536736201077192015-07-27T12:54:36.056-04:002015-07-27T12:54:36.056-04:00I have essentially done 4 kickstarters so Far:
Rea...I have essentially done 4 kickstarters so Far:<br />Reaper Bones 1: Late with quality below materials potential<br />Reaper Bones 2: Late Again with quality at materials potential<br />Impact Trollcast Teams: My experience was fine but we got our minis hand delivered at event.<br />Mantic Dungeon Saga: Still Waiting but not late yet.<br /><br />One of the issues is that good games are actually pretty hard. Making nice looking miniatures is not that hard but doing on the cheap is. Most of the stuff being kickstarted is getting pushed way beyond what the inexperienced teams are really able to handle in the time and cost they have claimed.eriochromehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10377904099582258296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-76690751317006681442015-07-27T12:48:53.783-04:002015-07-27T12:48:53.783-04:00I tend to agree with your conclusions about kickst...I tend to agree with your conclusions about kickstarter campaigns for miniatures. I do think, however, you were overly optimistic in your initial pledges. You should always be wary of people promising you a lot, asking for money up front, with a fair amount of ability to walk away with your cash. Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04347207892827231148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-62984367733016307592015-07-27T11:51:38.487-04:002015-07-27T11:51:38.487-04:00That should be Battlfront not Battlefield in the l...That should be Battlfront not Battlefield in the last post.CaulynDarrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556761303500891267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-34043576234480122592015-07-27T11:47:51.220-04:002015-07-27T11:47:51.220-04:00Didn't Raging Heros take forever and and a day...Didn't Raging Heros take forever and and a day to fulfill? Wouldn't it have been less grief if they had released those products slowly over the same period of time? <br /><br />How do you feel about all those guys(like me) who got a better deal on planetary annihilation from steam sales?<br /><br />Realize here that you've been lucky. I mean, Battlefied, had a good enough rep, and they blew it. CMON and Mantic have blown it on a few of theirs, and those guys are experts at this whole kickstarter thing. You have no guarantees that RH won't spend all their next take on hookers and blow. And if they do, there isn't anything you can do about it.CaulynDarrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556761303500891267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-90059046656578244242015-07-27T11:34:42.031-04:002015-07-27T11:34:42.031-04:00Raging Heroes' first kickstarter was awesome a...Raging Heroes' first kickstarter was awesome and I had no qualms about dropping some major cash on the new one. It's all about the company and their rep. Of my 5 or so kickstarter experiences, they have all been good with the sole exception of planetary annihilation, whose major crime was being just too much for my mid-range PC :(<br /><br />On the other end of the spectrum, Wasteland was totally awesome and far exceeded my expectations.Koronahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08250234754318025124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-27444534775643938782015-07-27T10:59:41.854-04:002015-07-27T10:59:41.854-04:00Most Kickstarters violate one of the rules of sale...Most Kickstarters violate one of the rules of sales, which is under-promise and over-perform. You have to manage expectations, and unless you know for certain that you can exceed expectations, then you shouldn't be creating any. Part of the thing about Kickstarter is that it's bringing all the ugly business of making those delicious gaming sausages out to the public, who are used to being served a finished product in a retail venue. Nurglitchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03333941626425462180noreply@blogger.com