tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post920378863959594669..comments2024-02-16T18:32:38.635-05:00Comments on The Back 40K: Is GW Walking Away From Us?Farmpunkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09622091234212120598noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-2429291349059776162012-04-03T00:58:48.666-04:002012-04-03T00:58:48.666-04:00I get that tournaments are exciting, and the centr...I get that tournaments are exciting, and the central focus for some. That said, perhaps their marketing focus is shifting back towards longer running things like league play? There seem to be two new leagues that've started up in town, of late (one at Gamerz, starting Thursday, and another at Saltire, which started last month).<br /><br />As to indie Indy tournament organizers, perhaps shifting your focus to establishing some kind of outside of retail minis gaming club is in order (perhaps piggybacking on the Mavens, Who's Your Con, etc). A club could provide a built-in player base for a future tournament, and might defer some of the need to attract out of towners with GW furnished prize support.A.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05659580454297240600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-67528187910517857352012-04-02T13:01:30.039-04:002012-04-02T13:01:30.039-04:00As a fellow "Throne of Skulls: Vegas" at...As a fellow "Throne of Skulls: Vegas" attendee I will say the following.<br /><br />It was a great time. There were also a lot of competitive players in attendance.<br /><br />As Mannahnin mentioned, the time between rounds was more than enough to go to the margarita bar by the pool. (Before the tableside bars opened)<br /><br />The catered breakfast/lunches/and dinner was exceptional, and graciously acepted to the pricey nature of Vegas food.<br /><br />It was also a great chance to meet players from across the country (I live on the East Coast).<br /><br />-MikeSaint Omervillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08664789584794799414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-26226210020528580362012-04-01T21:59:07.257-04:002012-04-01T21:59:07.257-04:00I had no idea about the difficulties you guys face...I had no idea about the difficulties you guys faced across the pond with regards to this soprt of thing. But have you considered trying to hire a church hall? There should be plenty of parking and most UK churches are very happy for the extra incomes hiring out a hall in the evenings would bring? I admit, I know very little about the situation with regards to church halls in the USA, but would this work?Lead Legionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12700198528204457272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-13084100127436267612012-04-01T03:56:59.035-04:002012-04-01T03:56:59.035-04:00No it wasn't. It sounds like you think there&...No it wasn't. It sounds like you think there's only one way for an event to be competitive. The nature of the competition was DIFFERENT, but that doesn't mean it wasn't competitive. You were competing to see who in your codex could do the best. I agree that the method of determining an "overall winner" was kind of lame, but almost (some of the tables were a little sparse on terrain) everything else about the tournament was awesome.<br /><br />In one regard, this event was actually superior to almost every other top-flight, well-regarded competitive event out there. And that's time limits. We got 2.5hrs for 1500pt games. This meant almost no games were called due to time, and instead ran to their proper conclusions. <br /><br />The other areas in which the event blew people away were in the food and hospitality. Which were fantastic, and made us really feel appreciated by GW, which was a nice change of pace. ;)Mannahninhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06686008940957828196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-78112288788023058362012-04-01T03:56:24.568-04:002012-04-01T03:56:24.568-04:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO1dpPKdAfI
Your b...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO1dpPKdAfI<br /><br />Your blog inspired my video. Since this is a predominately English crowd, maybe my delight in seeing a capitalist industry implode will not be met with such contempt.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02580073814768693957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-44348664839419793732012-03-31T00:52:30.770-04:002012-03-31T00:52:30.770-04:00I'm glad you had fun, but from a competitive s...I'm glad you had fun, but from a competitive standpoint, it was pure garbage.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-40083540013290825582012-03-30T19:39:16.460-04:002012-03-30T19:39:16.460-04:00Did you seriously call Throne of Skulls garbage? ...Did you seriously call Throne of Skulls garbage? That was one of the best times at a tournament I've ever had, and that's the opionion of most of the folks lucky enough to have attended (the 40k side, at least).Mannahninhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06686008940957828196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-21855602251444502552012-03-30T16:14:41.532-04:002012-03-30T16:14:41.532-04:00Sorry for not being more clear. In order to get an...Sorry for not being more clear. In order to get an unspecified amount of product support per QUARTER for leagues/tourneys, I have to carry at least so much Fantasy, so much 40K, and so much LotR. The amount of product's value is usually pretty close to the amount of support GW is offering as far as I understand it. So my option is to buy something that doesn't sell (LotR) hoping that the support will even out to be a "rebate" for having bought it...<br /><br />not anything I really look forward to doing. I'd rather take that X many dollars and invest it in a NEW product, or even offering prize support out of pocket. It is much more likely to get me sales than something that is a traditional dust gatherer for me.Loquacioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01667591498679385934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-7565439519256701762012-03-30T16:11:42.824-04:002012-03-30T16:11:42.824-04:00As I understand it, GW forces retailers to carry a...As I understand it, GW forces retailers to carry a certain amount of product to receive prize support for events.<br />This includes LoTR stuff, which doesn't sell, and things like Dreadfleet....SinSynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12352693991857976930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-29548280108809354852012-03-30T11:17:24.132-04:002012-03-30T11:17:24.132-04:00Like I said it's not really a big deal. Probab...Like I said it's not really a big deal. Probably within a year two they may even re-introduce their own GT circuit again.Terminus Esthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14216648052452417162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-10051624521887065302012-03-30T10:53:30.116-04:002012-03-30T10:53:30.116-04:00It would me a mistake to assume that every US game...It would me a mistake to assume that every US gamer is highly competitive. At least in the winning-of-games sense. But as a whole, yeah. We do like our competitions. Be they painting, conversions, or whatever. Culturally we like to try and be the best at something.<br /><br />Forgetting that is just bad business.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-45149481006546761052012-03-30T10:47:22.952-04:002012-03-30T10:47:22.952-04:00They seem to be perfectly happy sacrificing the lo...They seem to be perfectly happy sacrificing the long-term health of the company for short-term boosts to the bottom line. Their investors (mostly retirement funds) want to see increased margins/dividends. So GW cuts development staff and event support to get them. The result is an even slower dev cycle (2 40K books per year now) and no community involvement.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-10378931502114073492012-03-30T10:36:39.039-04:002012-03-30T10:36:39.039-04:00???
It's common practice (at least in the US)...???<br /><br />It's common practice (at least in the US) for GW to provide a certain amount of prize support (usually $150 or so of product) for events held in qualified stores. By 'qualified' meaning they buy enough GW product to get that support.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-54875690732868383112012-03-30T10:24:13.291-04:002012-03-30T10:24:13.291-04:00Wow. They really are that stupid.Wow. They really are that stupid.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-57435299695535042642012-03-30T10:22:53.553-04:002012-03-30T10:22:53.553-04:00With the economy being what it is, it's often ...With the economy being what it is, it's often possible for a retailer to rent an empty store in the same strip mall for $100 or so per day to provide additional table space. Whereas the price would be much higher for the rest of us. We had looked at doing this for the Indy Open, but ran into insurance problems on the retailer's end because it was us, instead of him, running the event.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-62434786792707724982012-03-30T07:47:28.896-04:002012-03-30T07:47:28.896-04:00It can be pretty hard in the US to find locations ...It can be pretty hard in the US to find locations to run events. Most meetings spaces tend to be very overpriced. They are geared towards weddings and corporate events, which are egregiously wasteful things here in the US. You're probably looking at spending at least $600 dollars just to get enough space for 32 people for 8 hours. <br /><br />We also tend to be pretty spaced out here in American cities with pretty poor options for public transportation(at least in the Midwest). You might be able to find a venue, but without good parking or location you still might have issues getting people to show up.<br /><br />Retail locations end up being some of the only really accessible and convenient locations to meet up. There's also no shortage of strip malls in this country, so even a game store can afford the rent on a location that can support 5-6 gaming tables. This is why independent retailers tend to be the place where a lot of American gamers play.CaulynDarrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556761303500891267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-28404873576453397542012-03-30T06:47:19.622-04:002012-03-30T06:47:19.622-04:00I would actually rather have a trophy than a vouch...I would actually rather have a trophy than a voucher for 100 bucks.Hermithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10660059144530844658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-2267822517366450522012-03-30T06:43:52.666-04:002012-03-30T06:43:52.666-04:00Dosent generate sales????? NOVA did a poll in 2011...Dosent generate sales????? NOVA did a poll in 2011 during the tourny. Players spent over 100K getting ready for the NOVA. Thats one Tourny. Yes its a big one so those numbers are not the same for your small locals tournys. On the other hand How many times have you seen a local player dish out the cash to get the lastest greatest army even if its only 1500 points? I would say All tourney generate at least some sales, even if its just glues and paints and flock. Every sale adds up over the course of a year.Hermithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10660059144530844658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-15318957683497600682012-03-30T06:33:23.617-04:002012-03-30T06:33:23.617-04:00PS: To save any confusion about that last paragrap...PS: To save any confusion about that last paragraph, I'm the same guy who uses the tag Dangerous Brian. I posted earlier in the thread.. This is my bussiness google account. Sorry about the confusion.Lead Legionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12700198528204457272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-574793642210258492012-03-30T06:29:10.049-04:002012-03-30T06:29:10.049-04:00I'm probably going to get flamed for this but....I'm probably going to get flamed for this but.....<br /><br />I've noticed over the years (and many US players would agreee with me) that American Gamers are, for the most part, more concerned with winning the game that UK players are. It's a cultural difference. In the UK, we're brought up with the notion that it's the taking part that counts. We also have a much less competitive school environment, especially with regards to sport's teams and other competitive activites. So the end result is that we're less inclined to be competitive. <br /><br />US gamers seem to be brought up in a much more competitive environment and receive monetary (or other) financial rewards for consistantly winning in a competitive environment far more than we UK gamers do. Just look at Sport's (and Chess, and high GPA and even Bowling) scholarships for example, although that's probably not the best analogy. I imagine the Games Workshop USA simply recognised that USA gamers have a higher expectation of being rewarded for successful play than we Brits do and took steps accordingly.<br /><br />Head office has probably noticed that GW USA gives away prizes while the UK Tournaments don't. Trying to save a little extra cash for the share-holders, they've pulled the plug without really understanding the cultural differences involved - and possibly without realising just how badly it will offend US gamers.<br /><br />I still don't think the scene will suffer as much as some of the other gamers on this forum believe, but I can't deny that GW have shot themselve in the foot (PR wise) with this one.Lead Legionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12700198528204457272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-79806863583233859132012-03-30T04:30:32.604-04:002012-03-30T04:30:32.604-04:00Wait... prize support? you guys in the U.S.A get g...Wait... prize support? you guys in the U.S.A get gw prize support? <br />In the uk they give nothing just trophies.Kiour_grhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11437504969253595069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-13300119635353013802012-03-30T04:26:56.044-04:002012-03-30T04:26:56.044-04:00I happily pay to attend events with cash prizes, o...I happily pay to attend events with cash prizes, or even without prizes worth anything at all, so this makes no odds to me at all. However, the fact that they feel that this is a good idea is a little sickening.Atreideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05304081312256836817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-526818073573369142012-03-30T04:17:37.689-04:002012-03-30T04:17:37.689-04:00While I think this is true, I also think that US g...While I think this is true, I also think that US gaming is much, much more tied to the retail environment. I don't know if clubs renting spaces to play games without a retail presence is anything like as big a thing in the US as it is here.Vonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12583821960347555993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-27427366858580563942012-03-30T02:52:24.985-04:002012-03-30T02:52:24.985-04:00^^ Another shot in the foot for GW. I can't be...^^ Another shot in the foot for GW. I can't believe they don't look at the consequences of their actions. Raise Prices = Push customers to cheaper products. Stop hosting tournaments = push customers to cheaper products. Produce sub par products = push customers to other systems (That they already own the minis for because they are proxying the expensive GW models). GW you give me the sad face.Mitchoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12482187400280026147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-56692243450290436822012-03-29T23:48:23.079-04:002012-03-29T23:48:23.079-04:00Cool. Then that means we don't have to worry a...Cool. Then that means we don't have to worry about the bs rule about maintaining a certain percentage of GW product on each model. Glad that I can start easily using Mantic models and save a TONNE of money and not worry about it. So I can't play with them in a GW store, ooooooh, the horrors. <br />Also, what's this about supporting tournaments in the retail stores. Since when did they reverse the official policy against doing anything like prize pools or doing anything at all monetarily or product support wise?Yet Another Wargaming Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12689626043114587566noreply@blogger.com