tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post941901033366399587..comments2024-02-16T18:32:38.635-05:00Comments on The Back 40K: Warpath's 3rd Army Is RevealedFarmpunkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09622091234212120598noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-58217743804092822282011-07-14T09:27:56.422-04:002011-07-14T09:27:56.422-04:00Going for almost direct copies of real world troop...Going for almost direct copies of real world troops can be problematic. Which is one reason 40k has survived. It has a lot of similarities with the real world, but nothing too close. There are no worries that there will be a discussion about Blackwater (they really don't have the best of rep by now, be it true or false), nor would I feel bad about playing a certain army because I think they look cool and function great, but once was part of the Nazi Reich.<br /><br />This, this feels tired before they've even started. It's not like PP who is doing their own thing and pouring their hearts into the background. Mantic feels more like they are trying to created a board game set of rules and an 80s computer game backstory. <br /><br />I could be wrong though, and it could take off and we could get retcons to make things more interesting. We'll have to see. That said I do agree with the post, a more engaging mercenary look would definitely be better. More special forces/foreign legion than regular troops. More heroes, anti-heroes, and villains.Flekkzohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14508641232973488303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-33533117571542100212011-07-14T03:36:50.343-04:002011-07-14T03:36:50.343-04:00It doesn't have to be, but there's arguabl...It doesn't have to be, but there's arguably some pretty safe money in doing just that.<br /><br /><br />"It's an interesting concept. Much more modern and relevant than the WWI-In-Space roots of 40K."<br /><br />I see it as an evolution of that sort of 'reflections on real conflict' idea - post-colonial wargaming, if you like, rather than wargaming still preoccupied with the dying days of overt colonialism.Vonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12583821960347555993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-5762509830785928992011-07-13T21:46:41.100-04:002011-07-13T21:46:41.100-04:00Heavy Weapons teams could be robot units instead. ...Heavy Weapons teams could be robot units instead. Usable in 40K as-is, or you can play Warpath and move around more. <br /><br />It doesn't have to be a straight 1:1 copy of GW.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-23363107050664574842011-07-13T19:03:46.491-04:002011-07-13T19:03:46.491-04:00What's the point? "Mercenaries are cool&q...What's the point? "Mercenaries are cool".<br /><br />If so, I disagree.<br /><br />They could use some modern robots and vehicles instead of ugly WWII tanks. If they are supposed to be a future corporation instead of the Imperium.Gx1080https://www.blogger.com/profile/00034506520670256785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-57914056494397265892011-07-13T18:39:47.207-04:002011-07-13T18:39:47.207-04:00Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there ...Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there meant to be 2 human factions... the Corporation (more strict militaristic lookin' dudes) and some sort of Rebel force that doesn't like what they're doing (or at least the ways they use)?<br /><br />From a design perspective, it would seem that you want these two factions to be very aesthetically different. It also would seem that the look many people are asking for (more minimal gear, more rag-tag, etc) would suite the second faction better, on the whole.<br /><br />Of course, I could be completely backward about all of this, as I haven't done much to keep up with Mantic's news recently.<br /><br />All that said, I think the ire about models being too similar to Cadians is... in a word... wrong.<br /><br />To me the business model seems simple. Free rules and cheap minis encourage people to pick up and play the game. Making said cheaper-than-competition's models similar enough to be used in said competitor's games means they stand to make twice the profit (and makes free rules a moot point, not a loss leader).<br /><br />They can still pull out some vastly different and interesting minis for the second faction (of humans, that is), allowing for both premium cross-over potential and individuality.<br /><br />Give it some time... this may yet turn into a win-win for everybody.Anonymous Foodiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14362829012549159278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-24494155715455958202011-07-13T17:20:29.390-04:002011-07-13T17:20:29.390-04:00look ive seen that robotic dog before. and they k...look ive seen that robotic dog before. and they keep kicking the damn thing. eventually that robot dog is gonna turn into SKYNET.uberdarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07321607967304570098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-1799213744628504812011-07-13T17:16:22.420-04:002011-07-13T17:16:22.420-04:00I think they've really missed a trick with the...I think they've really missed a trick with these guys too.<br /><br />If you compare old WW2 uniforms:<br />http://www.theworldatwar.info/images/living/inf.jpg<br /><br />To modern day ones:<br />http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/098018-high-tech-soldier-vlg1120a.grid-4x2.jpg<br /><br />Modern soldiers with all their body armour, webbing, extra radios and whatnot look really "chunky".<br /><br />I think they could continue that trend and take it to an extreme for their future troops:<br />http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/bajireyn/Nation%20States/Army_Troopersized.jpg<br />http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb480/koolkig/images-1.jpg<br /><br />It'd give them a very distinctive feel.<br /><br />They also really do need a wide range of head options. I love the idea of some arabic style headdress options, also gas mask and other cool "extreme enviornment" style options would really offer some great possibilites.<br /><br />I guess the main problem they've got is they need to stick to the IG archetypes so GW players can mix and match troops but really it does seem shortsighted.Koronahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08250234754318025124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-37385572292857259002011-07-13T16:34:54.124-04:002011-07-13T16:34:54.124-04:00Private Military Contractors == Mercenaries
I'...Private Military Contractors == Mercenaries<br /><br />I'm sure their motives differ, but the definition fits. Their pay rates are also well known and a source of ire within the uniformed military.<br /><br />I haven't been over there to experience things first hand, but from what I've heard from guys who were, The Hurt Locker nails the attitude perfectly. <br /><br />From a game standpoint, it matters less what the reality is anyway. What's important is the character that's conveyed and the appeal of the idea.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-25533609342100427582011-07-13T16:12:38.168-04:002011-07-13T16:12:38.168-04:00Well, Blackwater (they've changed names, right...Well, Blackwater (they've changed names, right?) and the like -- private military contractors -- are mercenaries. The fact that the word has come to have such negative connotations in the modern world reflects the reputation that mercenaries have built for themselves in the modern age. Which is why they call themselves private military contractors now, and why Blackwater has changed it's name. <br /><br />While I'm sure that they are nearly all patriots doing their best in a dangerous job, it would be better for them to try to improve the reputation of mercenaries rather than object to being accurately called by that name.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-39761249339134033302011-07-13T15:59:23.430-04:002011-07-13T15:59:23.430-04:00I'll refrain from making similar comments abou...I'll refrain from making similar comments about your modern day analogies and restrict myself to the main gist of your post. I wholeheartedly agree that Mantic seems to be wasting an opportunity with Warpath. Mantic needs to take advantage of the ability to move in a new direction with the game and make miniatures that stand out instead of giving us 40K counts as with a lower price tag. Instead of giving us a Starship Troopers/Imperial Guard/Colonial Marines rehash they need to give us something we haven't seen before. Unique compelling minis are just as vital to the success fo Warpath as a good ruleset.MrMatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10293390563139678293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-61972597067563679582011-07-13T15:36:59.921-04:002011-07-13T15:36:59.921-04:00To build a little bit on what Mike Brandt said, Hu...To build a little bit on what Mike Brandt said, Hurt Locker is a very inaccurate movie in all aspects, from portrayal of contractors to regular Army to EOD. It doesn't make any reliable comparison to reality of how they actually operate over here.Disabajnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09286184213988365975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-48560673429428197412011-07-13T15:01:01.939-04:002011-07-13T15:01:01.939-04:00Having met a lot of the Blackwater guys, it's ...Having met a lot of the Blackwater guys, it's not cool to call retired military going back into warzones to perform activities like diplomatic protectino "Mercenaries." Most of them are pretty patriotic Americans.<br /><br />Actually appreciate the article in general, just ... you know ... I work in a related industry and live in DC, so I hear a lot of the "OMG BLACKWATER AND THOSE OTHER COMPANIES IZ MONEY GRUBBIN' MERCS!!11" talk. It's highly inaccurate, and more than a little emotionally damaging to a group of highly trained individuals who almost exclusively do what they do as a service to their country - legitimately. Hate on the tiny handful of bad apples only please.<br /><br /><3 (not trying to rabble rouse at all)Mike Brandt; mvbrandt@gmailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00818846784767602047noreply@blogger.com