tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post1397214550545947492..comments2024-02-16T18:32:38.635-05:00Comments on The Back 40K: killing them softlyFarmpunkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09622091234212120598noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-11697403831497182222010-01-17T15:36:18.600-05:002010-01-17T15:36:18.600-05:00I find my self in a similar place, but I have reac...I find my self in a similar place, but I have reached a different conclusion. <br /><br />At my local game store there are only a few experienced players with vast majority having just started out. While I may not enjoy kicking in a green players teeth, I can only imagine how little they would enjoy the experience. <br /><br />So instead of dumbing down my play which is obvious on the table even to a new player, I don't take a competitive list to the game store. Instead I will bring a characterful list with “sub-optimal” choices that are fun to play together. I might still not “go for the throat” when I do play but I do not have to hold back while playing either. If I happen to play against a better opponent, Bonus! Sure I am going to have a tough time but the game is almost guaranteed to be a colorful and fun experience. <br /><br />As an example here is a list that I ran at the end of the last escalation league. While it is not “competitive” List it is far from a pile of garbage either.<br />1500 Pts - Chaos Marines Roster<br /><br />HQ: Huron Blackheart (1#, 170 pts)<br /> Summoned Greater Daemon (1#, 100 pts)<br /><br />Troops: 10 Chaos Space Marines: (Chaos Glory, Meltagun x2, Fist Champ, Rhino)(11#, 255 pts)<br /> 10 Chaos Space Marines: (Chaos Glory, Meltagun x2, Fist Champ, Rhino)(11#, 255 pts)<br /> 7 Summoned Lesser Daemon (7@ 91 pts)<br /> 8 Summoned Lesser Daemon (8#, 104 pts)<br /> 8 Summoned Lesser Daemon (8#, 104 pts)<br /> <br />Elite: 8 Possessed @ 288 pts (Icon of Khorne; Poss Champ, Rhino)<br /> <br />Heavy Support: Predator (Autocannon; Lascannon)) (1#, 130 pts)<br /> <br />Total Roster Cost: 1497Chambershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18075294689773116021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-62936754062113005642010-01-13T23:29:27.173-05:002010-01-13T23:29:27.173-05:00My feelings on this are mixed. Especially with ...My feelings on this are mixed. Especially with newer players. As we are always seeking to grow our gaming club, I will usually ask my opponet what type of game they want to play.<br /><br />Do they want a fun game to learn or practice from? Or do they want something more competetive? And even that can go many ways.<br /><br />Newer players need guidance, so just destroying them outright can chase some away from the hobby. I would recommend keeping a well balanced "training" list on hand specificially for new players. This allows them to see a variety of units, plus it also may allow them to see how their army performs against other units.<br /><br />Now if the player in question wants a competetive style of game and wants me to "bring it" so to speak, than I would field something more sound and make them earn a win. The only way one can get better after mastering the basics of this game is to play better opponents and lose on their way to figuring out success.<br /><br />Excellent article though.<br /><br />http://berkswarhammer40k.blogspot.com/Steel Thunder Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06274130621137660842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-66442847760245025452010-01-12T15:51:58.301-05:002010-01-12T15:51:58.301-05:00I typically (when I've got the time) will talk...I typically (when I've got the time) will talk through my decisions with newer players. I also encourage them to watch a game between myself and SandWyrm or BlueMoon. I know enough about how those guys play to be able to narrate the decision making, and not have it greatly impact game outcome.<br /><br />It's kind of fun to play tactical review games verses experienced players as well. Tactical review games (talking through decisions) can really help your game, especially against a codex you're not real familiar with. <br /><br />Typically in 'teaching' games, I like to review my prioritization and moves. It helps me hone my decisions, and predict outcomes. It also helps demonstrate what sequence to fire your units in based upon LoS and target priority.<br /><br />good suggestions and feedback all!<br />thanks!Farmpunkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622091234212120598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-80465958925146923082010-01-12T12:22:33.793-05:002010-01-12T12:22:33.793-05:00I have to vote for keeping a tuned list. Would yo...I have to vote for keeping a tuned list. Would you ever savor a victory knowing your opponent artificially handicapped their list? <br /><br />Additionally, I think it is good for new players to see tuned lists. It gives them an idea of how a list should be constructed and run.<br /><br />However, and this is key, don't play a closed game. Talk to your opponent after or even during the game. Explain why it was that you took a particular unit, moved how you did, shot at what... Walk them through your strategy and tactics, your bluffs and gambles, etc.<br /><br />And in the same sense, be willing to help them find their maximum effect against your list. Play an "open" game and be forthright about any bad calls and why. You don't want to seem like you're playing the game for them, so only do this sparingly in-turn on really BAD ideas. Otherwise, wait until the end of the turn or even after the game.<br /><br />Basically, respect them by playing a solid list and game... and teach them how to do so themselves.Dverninghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18098608506710554678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-39769543968631085482010-01-11T17:09:14.221-05:002010-01-11T17:09:14.221-05:00I played a game versus a new marine player a coupl...I played a game versus a new marine player a couple months back where I walked my infantry behind their Chimeras after seeing his list. I also waited for him to deploy (I was first) and then had him redeploy after I told him how I would position his units for maximum effect against me. <br /><br />It was still a slaughter, but he got to kill some guys and was very appreciative afterwards for the help and explanations.<br /><br />There was a funny moment in my escalation game last week where the newish Ork player expected me to charge forward into him on turn 1. Instead, I took the defensive and did a lateral move to put more distance between me and his fastest units. He was vexed by this, but I explained why I did it and I saw the lightbulb go on over his head.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-21132828788156570542010-01-11T15:30:16.621-05:002010-01-11T15:30:16.621-05:00As a new player, I say take the list you want to p...As a new player, I say take the list you want to play, but please please please talk about why you won after the game! my Sisters got smashed by Space Wolves and I couldn't see what else I could have done so I asked my opponent for advice. Turns out I had fundamentally misunderstood his units and his intentions and had been needlessly afraid of the wrong things and avoided them. Even getting tabled can be fun and useful if it's done right.<br /><br />Especially against younger players it can be useful to talk as you go, explaining (as if to yourself) why you are doing what you're doing on a turn-by-turn basis. Otherwise they can get upset and cranky and the post-game review comes too late.PTRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01804620638450848244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-23210367982111973552010-01-11T14:39:17.977-05:002010-01-11T14:39:17.977-05:00Against a newer player I likely won't change m...Against a newer player I likely won't change my list too much. I'd just take it slow and easy, show them what a balanced army looks like, is capable of, and how to use it. I find people learn better when they have a framework to build around.Chumbalayahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15543857960730597490noreply@blogger.com