tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post1463400135974561658..comments2024-02-16T18:32:38.635-05:00Comments on The Back 40K: Invulnerable saves not so invulnerable?Farmpunkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09622091234212120598noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-58902351255344353882012-07-17T10:48:33.649-04:002012-07-17T10:48:33.649-04:00(sigh...)
I hear you Foodie. Really, I do. And ag...(sigh...)<br /><br />I hear you Foodie. Really, I do. And again, I apologize.<br /><br />But I don't think, at this point, that I can say or post anything that's not unabashed cheerleading for GW, and not have someone tell me that I'm just being negative. Because to them, ANY critical look at GW is bashing. <br /><br />Heck, look at my recent criticisms of Battlefront. Even at my most respectful and balanced, I still had folks jumping on me for being negative. It's reflexive and unthinking at this point. There's almost no thought behind it, only feelings.<br /><br />I could try and explain myself some more. But what's the point? Most of the regular folks I run into in the community already agree with me, or at least understand and respect my positions. While the hard-core folks who are currently enamored with 6th and are lovingly studying it's complex intricacies won't care. All I'm doing is spoiling their high. <br /><br />So I've been made 'the enemy', and 'sides' have formed, because it's easier than looking honestly at the thing they're still in love with and admitting that it has certain problems that will impact the competitive community. Not insurmountable problems, but big problems none the less. Problems that you can't simply wave away with the magic wand of optimism. <br /><br />As for writing further on the specifics of 6th, I really can't do that in any sort of useful way yet. Because I can't play the game in the same way that most other people can. The rules arguments I'd have would result in REAL diatribes and anger from me, which nobody who reads this blog has ever seen. So I haven't gone there. I DON'T WANT to go there. It's not who I want to be.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-17803554786971407332012-07-17T08:44:56.475-04:002012-07-17T08:44:56.475-04:00Oh, I'm not angry at Dodger or Rionnay for the...Oh, I'm not angry at Dodger or Rionnay for the way they responded - I knew (and said enough) that it was a simple, basic question. It was me being caught off guard and unable to wrap my silly little mind around the silly, basic answer without someone else stepping in to say "yes, it is that silly/basic". <br /><br />That's why I posed it to the community, as a *question*, not a complaint about the rules as you have *multiple times* said I was doing.<br /><br />I'm not even really pissed at you, Sandwyrm. I *am* tired of your tone. And the manner in which you go about expressing your opinion. Not that you *do*, because you're well within your right to do so... but there's a way to disagree, and there's a way to shout about how terrible something is at every opportunity, which gets old fast, is not fun to listen to, and is detrimental to the hobby, this blog, and just about everything else.<br /><br />Don't stop saying what you're saying, just have a *discussion* about your thoughts, questions, concerns, and even complaints, in a reasonable manner, instead of GW-bashing. <br /><br />You get upset when anyone asks you to stop, but every time someone says something positive about GW you get on a soap box about how they belief the company can do no wrong. You have continuously said that this original post and your thoughts are the same, which can not be further from the truth. Never once did I complain about "this is unclear", it was me saying, to my own derogation, that I needed a push in the right direction. It happens. It was because I was stuck on 3+ previous editions, and couldn't see the answer in front of me.<br /><br />If you want to have a post laying out why you think 6th ed is "bad" or at least "not well balanced/written", by all means put it up... because chances are I can counter-point most of what you'll have, if not all. It will not be an argument, it will be pointing out why I think it's true. What pisses me off is the fuming that this blog has degenerated to, instead of being a group of friends and a few hobbies we share.Anonymous Foodiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14362829012549159278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-48245530520866449862012-07-14T21:57:53.354-04:002012-07-14T21:57:53.354-04:00It's not my blog Dodger, it's Farmpunk'...It's not my blog Dodger, it's Farmpunk's; and I'm under no illusions that Foodie is anything but pissed off at both of us right now. I'm really sorry Foodie. I started this mess with my snide little comment. I won't do it again.<br /><br />Since these arguments have gone all Sheen-y, what with the NASA thing and the silly '40K is not 40K' assertions, I'm going to bow out because it's just not going to end well. You win.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-44880978117921238202012-07-14T21:54:46.683-04:002012-07-14T21:54:46.683-04:00I think that when I keep getting accused of being ...I think that when I keep getting accused of being out of touch and ruining the blog, some perspective is in order. Readers aren't turning away. Far from it.<br /><br />We've gained 14 new members since all this hee-haw started, which is much faster than normal. And every time I go to the store, I get pulled aside by guys in the 40K group who offer me words of support and good humor at your expense, even when they don't completely agree with the things I've said. <br /><br />Just today, while walking into the store, a 40K player said this to me:<br /><br />"Hey! I hope you brought your earplugs, because the whiners are here today."<br /><br />Then Dodger walked by on cue and proved his point.<br /><br />And the guys NOT in the 40K group? The ones who don't read our blog or know that I'm 'e-famous' at all? Well... I've gotten to know more of them lately, and let's just say that most of them used to play 40K... until their experiences with the core 40K group at the store turned them away.<br /><br />So am I really so out of touch? So negative? So crazy? Not from where I'm sitting.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-4440365092568236622012-07-13T19:11:14.975-04:002012-07-13T19:11:14.975-04:00What you or "other players" think Sandwy...What you or "other players" think Sandwyrm is irrelevent to the discussion here. Everyone gets thier own opinions. The point is if a lot of people are telling someone they don't like something someone is doing then that is the way they feel. If I ask you not to comment on my posts then don't. I you continue even though others are asking or telling you to stop then you are just being a bully.Spaguatyrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09459803772469387289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-30641799823855998892012-07-13T18:42:35.196-04:002012-07-13T18:42:35.196-04:00Just because it's your blog doesn't mean y...Just because it's your blog doesn't mean you get to put words in my mouth, Keith.<br /><br />It takes some mental gymnastics to turn the statement "No offense, but this is a basic question" into "YOU'RE STUPID" in what is an incredibly transparent attempt to stir up some kind of drama about me being a jerk to Foodie (who apparently wasn't even bothered enough to comment on it, and instead wrote a whole mini-article asking you to stay off of his articles if you can't be positive) to redirect from the actual point of what I was saying, which is that you were being immature and annoying whenever given even the slightest opening.<br /><br />While I appreciate that you've now made this identical statement twice, I assure you that if Foodie thinks I said anything offensive, he's fully capable of informing me of that on his own.<br /><br />If you want everyone to stop pointing out how negative and destructive you're being, you could always...stop being those things? It might be more successful than "HEY HE SAID SOMETHING MEAN TO FOODIE, GET HIM!" because I've really got no interest in letting you twist my words.Dodger3https://www.blogger.com/profile/13080674637620215681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-2436922751704982442012-07-13T17:35:13.084-04:002012-07-13T17:35:13.084-04:00All good playa! I want to get in a game of 40k wi...All good playa! I want to get in a game of 40k with you soon to test my lists against yours. When can we play?Spaguatyrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09459803772469387289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-13751190261286463212012-07-13T16:02:53.202-04:002012-07-13T16:02:53.202-04:00He is such an easy mark and a one note joke.He is such an easy mark and a one note joke.Vurumaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03100357065577809555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-80440631152823262992012-07-13T16:00:46.633-04:002012-07-13T16:00:46.633-04:00Sarcasm is the recourse of a weak mind.Sarcasm is the recourse of a weak mind.Vurumaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03100357065577809555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-56902425224525756032012-07-13T13:43:47.086-04:002012-07-13T13:43:47.086-04:00You're putting words in my mouth Dodger. Didn&...You're putting words in my mouth Dodger. Didn't I say more than once in these comments that this kind of question is normal and that it probably wasn't an issue that needed a FAQ? You're imagining all sorts of stuff, both written and implied that's not there. <br /><br />I'm fine with disagreements, but don't attribute a lot of malice to my actions, because I simply don't think like that. I'm disappointed in the latest version of a game that I love, and I'm honest (to a fault) in expressing it. I'm REALLY hoping that over time, I can enjoy this edition once the major kinks are worked out. I still believe that it's possible to do so. But I know that's going to take a lot of work, by a lot of people, to make that happen.<br /><br />I don't expect 100% perfection from any rules set. Not even my own. It's impossible, straight-up, and I can tolerate a lot of imperfections if I'm having fun. But GW has competitors, and when you play their games you simply don't have arguments of the same type and ferocity going on all of the time. I'd like some of those ideas to be improved upon and incorporated in 40K so that we argue less and play more.<br /><br />You do realize the reputation that the 40K crowd at G2D4 has amongst the players of other games there, right? That everyone sees you guys arguing all of the time while you play? That they make assumptions about 40K players and 40K itself based upon what they see? That it drives potential players away? If there's more arguments in this edition than last, is that a positive thing or a negative thing for attracting new (and former) players into playing the game?<br /><br />Think about it.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-82090030547044060032012-07-13T12:39:19.473-04:002012-07-13T12:39:19.473-04:00Multiple barrages are indeed a pain when they scat...Multiple barrages are indeed a pain when they scatter and/or characters under the blast...Rafael "Balangaz"https://www.blogger.com/profile/05908329716121835117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-34495499930129575282012-07-13T12:16:01.131-04:002012-07-13T12:16:01.131-04:00@Link
I see much more hatred coming from those wh...@Link<br /><br />I see much more hatred coming from those who cry HERESY any time anyone, somewhere, says the slightest not-so-great thing about 6th. Even when folks ask innocent rules interaction questions of the sort that everyone also asked at the beginning of 5th, 4th, 3rd, and 2nd Editions. Chill dudes!<br /><br />@Chris<br /><br />The comment wasn't directed at you. It was directed at folks much older than you who are reminding me of why I hated High School politics and cliqs. We have many fine high-school aged players around here, it's not an age thing at all.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-47439238161116006532012-07-13T12:07:35.942-04:002012-07-13T12:07:35.942-04:00Spag, I wasn't complaining about 6th in any of...Spag, I wasn't complaining about 6th in any of my comments to this post. I was poking fun at someone who had railed against me for criticizing something very similar to what this post was about. He ranted about me in an entire post. I poked him with one comment. Big deal.<br /><br />I was asked to be constructive afterwards, so I weighed in on the rules problem. I even said that it probably didn't need a FAQ. It was much more positive than Dodger calling him stupid for even asking the question, unless of course it was some attempt to 'bait' me into... yeah whatever. It's cliq thinking. We should all be better than that. I guess that's what comes of not playing games together for 3-4 months though. <br /><br />Along the way I made a few comments about GW's rules-writing IN GENERAL, in regards to version-labeling issues I've always had with their books (not just 6th) for oh, twenty years now. I even pointed out that certain problems are universal to other games I've played and that you'll always have veteran players mixing up rules in their heads.<br /><br />And if I was running Coteaz, I would think he's amazing too. :)SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-73180385992205395672012-07-13T05:59:58.021-04:002012-07-13T05:59:58.021-04:00Actually, following a battle last night where it b...Actually, following a battle last night where it became a complex mathematical equasion trying to distribute wounds from six Grotzooka markers firing at a large squad of Battle Sisters with multiple characters in it we re-read the rules for blast markers and barrage.<br /><br />Blast Marker rules state that wounds are DISTRIBUTED AS PER A NORMAL SHOOTING ATTACK and thus blast markers inflict wounds to the closest model from the firing unit, not the centre of the hole.<br /><br />The Barrage rules specifically state in the last sentance in the last bullet point in working out damage that wounds are assumed to come from the centre blast for the purpose of working out the closest model for wound allocation.<br /><br />Now I don't think Mindstrike missiles are barrage, but I could be wrong. If they're just blast, they're deffinately not capable of sniping (even with precision strike, as doesn't work with blast/template weapons)Rauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03541288205838663990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-82179160736980954662012-07-13T04:19:30.878-04:002012-07-13T04:19:30.878-04:00+1, also I lol'd.+1, also I lol'd.Link-Hero-1https://www.blogger.com/profile/09239440842941343687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-26371860515331599502012-07-13T04:17:05.403-04:002012-07-13T04:17:05.403-04:00Is this this passive aggressiveness thing I heard ...Is this this passive aggressiveness thing I heard about? lol<br /><br />Come on SandWyrm, you're better than this. ^^ <br />Stop commenting on this issue and draw your own conclusions with a cooled head.<br /><br />I enjoy your Flames of War Articles, when they're 40K free<br />(, which you can't look at anymore without getting your hateroda on.<br />At least that's my impression, which is fine, if you can just avoid it.)<br /><br />Stick to FoW and I can enjoy your blog. =)Link-Hero-1https://www.blogger.com/profile/09239440842941343687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-55272330491035257772012-07-12T22:25:56.458-04:002012-07-12T22:25:56.458-04:00To be fair you said you weren't going to compl...To be fair you said you weren't going to complain anymore. But moving on. I love Coteaz! He is amazing!Spaguatyrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09459803772469387289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-72816997142966297762012-07-12T21:35:46.174-04:002012-07-12T21:35:46.174-04:00So you think you're superior just cause I'...So you think you're superior just cause I'm in high school? at least I'm mature enough to not moan an complain about a game on the internet...chris.Chuck212https://www.blogger.com/profile/12499233769433436834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-61991823684484649302012-07-12T20:43:42.586-04:002012-07-12T20:43:42.586-04:00Character sniping is indeed a possibility with Min...Character sniping is indeed a possibility with Mindstrike Missiles. Got a problem with Eldrad...nail him with some Mind Strikes and make him think about those next few rolls.<br /><br />I for one am happy to see just how scary some facets of the game have become. Challenges make for dramatic combat that will have people grinding their teeth. Flying Monstrous Creatures crushing everything in their way...I love it.Unholy_Martyrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09160350382212955337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-40285582722175609712012-07-12T20:05:57.050-04:002012-07-12T20:05:57.050-04:00Are you guys aware as to how silly you all sound f...Are you guys aware as to how silly you all sound fighting about all of this. THIS is why I just smile and laugh and don't care anymore.uberdarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13352343779774789871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-74058260145008197662012-07-12T19:57:41.590-04:002012-07-12T19:57:41.590-04:00Huh? There's no problem at all with asking a q...Huh? There's no problem at all with asking a question, and he got his answer from about twenty people before me. There certainly aren't "sides," as much as you'd like this to somehow be a rules problem.<br /><br />I just find it amusing that you've set your own self-created burden of excellence in terms of rules-writing, wherein if ANYONE ever asks ANY question about ANY rule, it means the rule was poorly written and LOL GW SUX and etc. You made this very clear in your comments-disabled ego-rant about the Power Weapon issue, by going "OKAY WELL SOME PEOPLE THINK SOMETHING DIFFERENT SO CLEARLY IT CAN NEVER BE SOLVED GUESS WE DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT EVER AGAIN."<br /><br />Guess what: Some people will ALWAYS think something different, and people will ALWAYS ask questions. There's plenty of people who think we never landed on the moon, y'know? But nobody's really out there going "WELL, WE CAN'T ALL AGREE TO THE EXACT SAME THING, SO I GUESS WE JUST HAVE TO BLAME NASA FOR NOT TAKING US ALL TO THE MOON WITH THEM SO WE COULD AGREE" or whatever.<br /><br />You purposefully set an impossible, unreachable burden (100% of players having acceptance, understanding, and identical interpretations of all rules) so that you could then point and giggle when it wasn't reached. It's immature, and it's getting old.<br /><br />I feel as if some kid were to talk up to you and ask if you hit on a "3" or "4" with BS4 shooting, you'd go "AMBIGUOUS RULES! WE'LL NEVER KNOW! HOW DARE THEY!" and start throwing Flames of War miniatures at him until he agrees never to bring it up ever again because there's clearly no answer.Dodger3https://www.blogger.com/profile/13080674637620215681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-42966530657848152092012-07-12T19:02:07.710-04:002012-07-12T19:02:07.710-04:00OH MAN YOU REALLY GOT ME! OH NOS I COMMENTED ON A ...OH MAN YOU REALLY GOT ME! OH NOS I COMMENTED ON A POST! :O<br /><br />What is this? High School? Score 'points' if you want to, the grown ups have better stuff to do.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-63333213709492129322012-07-12T18:59:14.715-04:002012-07-12T18:59:14.715-04:00Dodger, he asked an honest question. Chill. Foodie...Dodger, he asked an honest question. Chill. Foodie's on 'your' side, if you really want to believe there are sides.<br /><br />Rionnay... WTF?SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-41460040842266264782012-07-12T18:24:40.794-04:002012-07-12T18:24:40.794-04:00Well not really better.....as a straight leadershi...Well not really better.....as a straight leadership test failure is not that scary when you are leadership 9 or 10. Plus the lousy random distance on top of that. Wait, it is also one use like all the crazy Dark Eldar arcane wierdy wargear. <br /><br />That is no different as it is removed from play so would not allow any saves either. Why is "allow not saves of any kind" such a bug-a-boo?ian!!!!https://www.blogger.com/profile/17907548372457749544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-37344248888577173642012-07-12T17:31:44.596-04:002012-07-12T17:31:44.596-04:00Haha. Hook, line and sinker.
I'm kinda disapp...Haha. Hook, line and sinker.<br /><br />I'm kinda disappointed that SinSynn took it as well.Link-Hero-1https://www.blogger.com/profile/09239440842941343687noreply@blogger.com