tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post7252591578147502045..comments2024-02-16T18:32:38.635-05:00Comments on The Back 40K: Top 4 Indy Open Lists!!!Farmpunkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09622091234212120598noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-53573438978078337122013-03-15T22:54:40.277-04:002013-03-15T22:54:40.277-04:00Necrons do fliers so much better because even with...Necrons do fliers so much better because even with them u have a lot on the groundSpaguatyrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09459803772469387289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-83460642422300497452013-03-15T04:32:58.027-04:002013-03-15T04:32:58.027-04:00A great list to watch in action. Not so much fun i...A great list to watch in action. Not so much fun if you're on the receiving end of it. This sort of SW list is pretty damn frustrating/boring to play against. Especially if he gets first turn. (Note: I wasn't at the tournament and didn't play Canis).Lead Legionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12700198528204457272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-38229241758302230982013-03-15T04:28:47.300-04:002013-03-15T04:28:47.300-04:00P.S None of my current lists include a single flie...P.S None of my current lists include a single flier. In fact, I've never fielded one at all.Lead Legionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12700198528204457272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-11731139866344515192013-03-15T04:27:29.081-04:002013-03-15T04:27:29.081-04:00I agree. The trick is to focus fire to wipe out hi...I agree. The trick is to focus fire to wipe out his ground stuff - especially his scoring units- before the flyers arrive, THEN once the scoring units are gone, hammer the fliers with everything you've got and ignore his other ground stuff (sucking it up) as much as possible.<br /><br />I can't begin to tell you how many games I've had where I've just completely ignored my opponents fliers until turn 4 or 5 and still come out on top because of objectives (including relic). It's only when you waste shots at them trying to bring them down early (while he still has scoring units and objective deniers) that I find fliers to be a problem,Lead Legionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12700198528204457272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-54450478144025282362013-03-13T17:48:59.294-04:002013-03-13T17:48:59.294-04:00To be honest, it would be nice for the option to t...To be honest, it would be nice for the option to take more than one quad gun to deal with airforce armies if one does not ahve the cash to field their own...then again, GW sales of expensive flyer models would plummet. I'm not sure why, other than this reason, there are ANY armies able to field more than three flyers.40K + T&Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09058918571922538449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-70632703368909233292013-03-11T20:56:44.991-04:002013-03-11T20:56:44.991-04:00No big deal. He is just going to do a follow up r...No big deal. He is just going to do a follow up report on Tomb Kings reports.Spaguatyrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09459803772469387289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-55620521943275863882013-03-11T20:09:28.852-04:002013-03-11T20:09:28.852-04:00Broderick was there. Not sure if you played him o...Broderick was there. Not sure if you played him or not. He was eldar and GK. I actually cant understand the comments. I will call him. Spaguatyrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09459803772469387289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-36989373560461792842013-03-11T19:21:54.990-04:002013-03-11T19:21:54.990-04:00And so it begins. YTTH is "analyzing" s...And so it begins. YTTH is "analyzing" some of the finals. Go take a gander. <br /><br />"what is amazing and exemplifies the issues with 40k is that an army with 20 4+ saves and 10 5+ saves can make the finals. They are good players but not enough armies has a way to deal with 4 flyers so you can’t punish a troop light list like this if you can’t even get them out of their damn ride."<br />Clueless. If you weren't there and you didn't see how the lists were played, you are not qualified to judge the top lists. The players were good and the lists, even though some disagree, were very solid. I know more bashing is coming, but stelek won't let me post any longer because I speak truth and it hurts his feelings.Inigo Montoyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09850500967451502349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-23957970219726170962013-03-11T08:36:17.039-04:002013-03-11T08:36:17.039-04:00Exactly, a flier heavy list lets you cut out 2 tur...Exactly, a flier heavy list lets you cut out 2 turns in the game and if you don't get all your fliers that can suck too. Running Plauge marines helps with the 3+ 5+ fnp against all that craziness.GravyGhosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15869467287754867309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-1488891610166467462013-03-11T06:31:59.077-04:002013-03-11T06:31:59.077-04:00@Tomb king, Yes it does but los is still determine...@Tomb king, Yes it does but los is still determined from the head so a better chance to hide models...if only slightly.<br /><br />@Sentinel, I think transports will make a small comeback. Maybe not at adepticon with every mission having kp, but sooner. Spaguatyrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09459803772469387289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-56663235235196883632013-03-11T06:01:32.025-04:002013-03-11T06:01:32.025-04:00Thanks, I'd assumed the rhinos would all be wr...Thanks, I'd assumed the rhinos would all be wrecked by the end of the game, especially against fliers packing telsa. I guess there were bigger threats to deal with!Sentinelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13483874659853638814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-32234209105557233422013-03-11T03:56:15.357-04:002013-03-11T03:56:15.357-04:00Thanks, very interesting. I play SW+GK heavy bolte...Thanks, very interesting. I play SW+GK heavy bolter razor-spam, and I'm finding MSU and mech invaluable against Helldrakes. Playing against two in a list plus the brand, things still get very messy, but with lots of mobile small targets that can combine to take down the rear armour, IMHO it's better than large squads on foot, in pods or rhinos.Sentinelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13483874659853638814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-34483578793449677882013-03-11T01:55:58.654-04:002013-03-11T01:55:58.654-04:00The heldrake faq states measure all ranges from th...The heldrake faq states measure all ranges from the part of the base closest to the target unit. Tomb Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02966193918427844485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-50778348647697876932013-03-10T21:26:14.135-04:002013-03-10T21:26:14.135-04:00No FWNo FWAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06205922113166820633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-80699023377465919402013-03-10T21:25:43.928-04:002013-03-10T21:25:43.928-04:00#1. Most mech on the tables were either flyers, la...#1. Most mech on the tables were either flyers, landraiders, AV13 vehicles,chimeras, or drop pods. There were only a few armies that brought more than a rhino. <br /><br />#2. There were not any 'real' msu style armies. Dustin Sanders was close with 7 plague marines in 3 rhino's but most brought larger squads. Besides a few Dark eldar players with venoms but you kind of have to be msu for that. <br /><br />#3. I saw a large variety of armies. We had some of everything on the tables. Blobs, nercron air, hybrid air power, blobs, lots of drop pods, etc. There really seemed to be a wide variety.<br /><br />Hope that helps. Helldrakes are too stupid. But I did re-read the faq for the helldrake and even though it is 360 degrees line of sight still comes from the head of the model. That is very interesting....Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06205922113166820633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-22397707275163750622013-03-10T21:18:00.157-04:002013-03-10T21:18:00.157-04:00Canis
6 x 14 fenrisian wolves with 1 cyber wolf
4 ...Canis<br />6 x 14 fenrisian wolves with 1 cyber wolf<br />4 TWC with 2 Storm shields and all melta bombs<br />4 TWC with 2 storm shileds and all melta bombs<br />3x6 longfangs with 5 missile launchers<br /><br />I told him I would have liked to see 1 fist or th with each TWC but it was aweseome to behold. He did say the cyber wolves didn't do much..<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06205922113166820633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-53833304728154914912013-03-10T20:59:39.515-04:002013-03-10T20:59:39.515-04:00Spreading out and Rhino blocksSpreading out and Rhino blocksGravyGhosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15869467287754867309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-47318510729831268782013-03-10T15:36:56.256-04:002013-03-10T15:36:56.256-04:00Was any Forgeworld allowed? Aeronautica has some g...Was any Forgeworld allowed? Aeronautica has some great anti air in their hyperios air defence battery rules. 40K + T&Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09058918571922538449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-16321979091385865772013-03-10T15:34:48.254-04:002013-03-10T15:34:48.254-04:00Hi Spag, thanks for posting the lists. Not surpris...Hi Spag, thanks for posting the lists. Not surprised to see Necrons and helldrakes at the top end, although I was expecting to see more vendettas and anti-air.<br /><br />A few general questions for you, if that's ok?<br /><br />1) What role did mech play overall?<br />2) Did anyone attempt a MSU style list, and if not, why do you think this is?<br />3) How would you describe the overall variety of armies?<br />Sentinelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13483874659853638814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-71738054189423520842013-03-10T14:22:23.024-04:002013-03-10T14:22:23.024-04:00Congrats on 3rd place! Interesting that you didn&#...Congrats on 3rd place! Interesting that you didn't have a problem with fliers. How do you defend against late game objective grabs?Sentinelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13483874659853638814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-4083927817089107822013-03-09T21:36:55.865-05:002013-03-09T21:36:55.865-05:00I will post it for you fester. It was hillarious t...I will post it for you fester. It was hillarious to see on the boards. People didn't know what to do. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06205922113166820633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-83428646106083712952013-03-09T16:38:48.217-05:002013-03-09T16:38:48.217-05:00I'd love to get. More detailed list of what th...I'd love to get. More detailed list of what the TWC list had!<br /><br />Seems like a list I'd like to take for a laugh.festerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08696875815801425052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-69190029997109442262013-03-09T16:19:43.598-05:002013-03-09T16:19:43.598-05:00kind of crazykind of crazySpaguatyrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09459803772469387289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-19617767467787621062013-03-08T17:25:55.473-05:002013-03-08T17:25:55.473-05:00I still think it was crazy to have a rematch of la...I still think it was crazy to have a rematch of last years finals despite going 7 rounds. <br /><br />As for the amount of fliers the guy in 4th had as many fliers as the top 3 players combined.Tomb Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02966193918427844485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4519319818452068646.post-50134670304177552872013-03-08T11:18:11.609-05:002013-03-08T11:18:11.609-05:00There's a subset of armies that can't deal...There's a subset of armies that can't deal with fliers at all, and another subset that can't deal with them very well. Then there's a few armies that can deal with them at the cost of being weak against hordes or mech. Then there are some armies that can deal with them simply because it's just another flyer army itself. CaulynDarrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556761303500891267noreply@blogger.com