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While Battlefront's bailiwick is 15mm, and I'm not denying that 15 mm modern armor would look really impressive on the tabletop, 6mm makes a whole lot more sense. The first big reason is game scale considerations. 15mm on a 6x4 table works pretty well with the technology of WWII. For modern combat, even though basic infantry engagement range is basically the same, all other interactions are going to be at much greater distances. Better optics, thermal sights, computers, and laser designation is going to force ranges into the game that the scale is not going to support well. Movement will be wired too. Modern armor movement will put all but the fastest WWII tanks to shame. Models that can move anywhere and shoot anywhere on the game board can make for some weird game-play.
6mm would solve all these issues. you'll get the abstract ranges for shooting and movement that make for good game play. You'll also be able to include more of the really neat modern elements right on the board. Ones that would have to modeled as off board assets otherwise. That way your A-10s and long range artillery are actually persistent units on the table and not just glorified counters and templates respectfully. Otherwise, they are going to end up with what feels like a clunky re-skin of Flames.
The announcement didn't include any art or photos relating to the new game. Neither did the FoW pacific expansion or the modular building line. I think this was to keep competitors in the dark while still building interest. They don't want Plastic Solider Company to preempt their releases with more affordable alternatives. These alternatives to BF's products has been a thorn in their side for the last few years.
Fulda Gap on the other hand... There will be Abrams and T-74s. If PCS was inclined, I bet they could get some of the major units to market in 8-12 months time. Zvenda already makes these in 1/100 as well. But who's got modern armor in 6mm? GHQ. Maybe a few garage shops. Basically the type of competition BF blew away when they first came out with FoW. It's a great opportunity to flank their competition with a new product no one is prepared to answer for.
They are also promising units for all the major factions. That's a lot of models even when you consider the homogeneous nature of more modern armies. It becomes much more simpler when you release a single sprue with a mix of Abrams, Bradleys, and Paladins on it. Their FoW range is so huge they are having problems keeping it stocked consistently. A 6mm game could be construed to require fewer SKU with smart packaging.
BF has also tried two modern-ish Flames of War re-skins, and both have not been super popular to my knowledge.
I dunno, GHQ's 6mm minis are excellent, ready and waiting for something like this to happen...
ReplyDeleteI will prefer to play Fulda Gap in 6mm, much like I find Arab-Israeli Wars more interesting in 6mm. Of course, still using plain 'ol FoW rules, and even the same ranges. at 6mm, you can make a lot more areas to hide, and maneuver.
ReplyDeleteSomeone on the WWPD forums this morning commented that JP confirmed that Fulda will be 15mm.
I'd still prefer to do it 6mm.
Is there a source on that? Otherwise: sad face. So many good reasons to do it in 6mm, so many bad reasons to do it 15.
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Posted By John-Paul on 09 Mar 2015 05:38 PM
Definitely 15mm. We will have the first of the plastics to show off next month and they are looking very cool so far :)
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Dumb. Sad face indeed. Article updated.
DeleteIt's like they want PCS to keep punching them in the junk. On the plus side more evidence to my theory that all game companies eventually become GW.
DeleteIf we get into any moderns, unless 15mm knocks my socks off HARD, or several others in the area start collecting, I'll just buy the FoW Fulda rules, and get GHQ 6mm stuff. a $75 army is easier to pay for than a $200 army, which is still much easier to justify buying than a $1000 GW army.
DeleteI could see us going 6mm as a small group. As much for cost as for lessened "hobby" requirements.
DeleteFWIW, ranges and speeds in WWII Flames are nearly as ridiculously low as 40K. Once you've got arty on the table with ranges of less than 84" (table diagonal), you've pretty much thrown realism out the window already.
I'd like to see what they got before I decide. If the models are nice enough, and I can build an army for roughly $200, I'd be up for 15mm.
DeleteStill left wondering why they announced the game without putting out any pics or artwork. The only accompanying images are of random factory workers. Battlefront is just so weird sometimes.
Maybe they're going to war with the army they have?
DeleteHa! Nice one!
DeleteRumsfeld really is the most thoughtful moron ever to walk the earth. :)
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ReplyDeleteFULDA GAP GAE! YESH! FINALLY!!!!
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Yes, cuz ranges on those tanks is insane, and they'll hafta make design concessions as is.
Also- 6mm is da shiznit.
OhMyGawd I can't wait. I sure hope BF doesn't screw it up by dividing it into periods ('80 to 85, 86 to 89, or whatever), or blowing the balance like they did with Late War.
Here's hoping!