So Tasty has released another rumor, though this one comes with a long CYA statement. So take it with plenty of salt. But unlike the other rumors I'm less horrified by this one than I am intrigued. Though maybe I really should be more horrified than I am. :)
Here's the rumor:
"I take 12 Hive Guard if I have to. Oh hell, let me throw in some Lictors with that as well. Oh, wait I need Ymgarls too! Now I can have it all! Well that is easy, once I fill all the “Detachment Requirements” I can now take another Detachment and a whole other set of FoC slots as needed. Detachments are not beholden to Allies it is just one of the ways you can use them. I made certain promises not to go into any more detail. I am either right or wrong, we only have one more week to find out!"
So... He's saying that if you fill the minimum requirements for your basic FOC, you can take another detachment. Interesting. Especially if the rumors are true that the extra detachment only needs 1 HQ and 1 Troop before other options are taken.
Let's look at this in list form. Here's a quick Air Cav list that I put together that Spams Valks and Vendettas without having to squadron them. I've filled in the extra HQ's with Primaris Psykers since they're so much better than Eldar Psykers and the new random Magic Powers will be all the rage. :)
Detachment 1 HQ 90 Company Command Squad w/4 x Melta Troops 100 Veteran Squad w/3 x Melta 100 Veteran Squad w/3 x Melta Fast Attack 130 Valkyrie w/MRPs 130 Vendetta Gunship 130 Vendetta Gunship Detachment 2 HQ 70 Primaris Psyker Troops 100 Veteran Squad w/3 x Melta 100 Veteran Squad w/3 x Melta Fast Attack 130 Valkyrie w/MRPs 130 Vendetta Gunship 130 Vendetta Gunship Detachment 3 HQ 70 Primaris Psyker Troops 100 Veteran Squad w/3 x Melta 100 Veteran Squad w/3 x Melta Fast Attack 130 Valkyrie w/MRPs 130 Vendetta Gunship 130 Vendetta Gunship 2000 Total
Nasty eh? Well fear not Space Wolves, for you have the spam to counter this:
I can't be bothered to find 15 points to drop, but you get the point. That's 12 Long Fang squads that can split fire to shoot at 24 different targets a turn. With 5 Rhinos of troops to run in and grab whatever is left after turn 2. With 4 Rune Priests to support them. Since vehicles are now easier to hit and all... Can you say "Return of gunline 40K"?
Detachment 1 HQ 90 Rune Priest Troops 115 5 Grey Hunters w/Melta, Rhino 115 5 Grey Hunters w/Melta, Rhino Heavy Support 90 4 Long Fangs w/3 x Missile Launcher 90 4 Long Fangs w/3 x Missile Launcher 90 4 Long Fangs w/3 x Missile Launcher Detachment 2 HQ 90 Rune Priest Troops 115 5 Grey Hunters w/Melta, Rhino Heavy Support 90 4 Long Fangs w/3 x Missile Launcher 90 4 Long Fangs w/3 x Missile Launcher 90 4 Long Fangs w/3 x Missile Launcher Detachment 3 HQ 90 Rune Priest Troops 115 5 Grey Hunters w/Melta, Rhino Heavy Support 90 4 Long Fangs w/3 x Missile Launcher 90 4 Long Fangs w/3 x Missile Launcher 90 4 Long Fangs w/3 x Missile Launcher Detachment 4 HQ 90 Rune Priest Troops 115 5 Grey Hunters w/Melta, Rhino Heavy Support 90 4 Long Fangs w/3 x Missile Launcher 90 4 Long Fangs w/3 x Missile Launcher 90 4 Long Fangs w/3 x Missile Launcher 2015 Total
We'd better hope that you're limited to one extra detachment!
Yeah, I guess that I should be scared. :(
I doubt you'd be able take more than one detachment at standard points levels. And all the allies rumors I've seen so far show that detachments are limited to 1 Fast/Elite/Heavy each.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't get too exited about it yet.
(shrugs)
DeleteI hope you're right.
We can only hope this isn't true. Otherwise GW may as well have just shitcanned 40k & made it into little apoc games where anything goes & FOC's are irrelevant.
ReplyDeleteIt's GW. They came up with Apoc to sell big vehicle models. Can you honestly tell me you'd be surprised?
DeleteI'm with #2501.
DeleteThis is GW. I won't be at all surprised that in an effort to get MORE money out of you, they pull something like this.
I mean, APOCALYPSE is the epitome of gaming fun for everyone, isn't it?!?!
look at the track records. Spearhead box sets were put out with planetfall to sell MORE STUFF. Planetfall didn't really catch on, however.
but if GW puts out a new edition, and change a lot of stuff, and open up the force org, people will have to buy new stuff.
they know you still have lunch money. and they WANT it.
Yea that is one oversight which could actually break the game. though it is easy enough to mitigate... No allies tournaments.
ReplyDeleteIt's easy to mitigate in a piecemeal fashion. But some TOs will limit them, and some won't. Multiplying the number of 40K 'versions' that the competitive crowd will have to deal with.
DeleteYou are of course making tons of assumptions on the intricacies of the use of detachments. Such as the idea that you are allowed to take more than 2. Or perhaps the fact that you may be required to fill more of your primary detachment - such as having at elast one unit from each FoC slot first? (for example).
ReplyDeleteWithout seeing the actual rules and specific wording & clauses there really is no point get hot, bothered... or sweaty with anticipated excitement!
You're missing the entire point of rumors. ;)
Deletetouche! I suppose thats the entire reason why I try to avoid them as much as I can!
DeleteThe point of rumours being to take a vaguely described piece of info, stretch it and use it to make armylists that are completley over the top, and then discussing how this is another way gw might be messing up the game? ;)
DeleteYeah pretty much. Part 2 is seeing if the actual rules are better or worse than our assumptions. :)
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