So I have this guy at my game store who is I believe the best daemon player in North America. He also plays what I think is the toughest build in all of 40k. I have played him twice with the new grey knights and only barely won both times. This brings me to question all of you......
What is the best army build against a Fatecrusher Chaos Daemon list. Now before all of you who think Daemons suck, really think about what a Fatecrusher list is:
Fateweaver-Who allows any Daemon to re-roll any save within 6"
Bloodthirster-Who has a 2+ Invol against force weapons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
4 bloodcrushers x2 or 3 (Kitted out for wound allocation.)
A Daemon Prince with bolt, flight, etc x 1 or 2
5 man plaguebearers x2 or 3
5 man pink horror with changeling -Sometimes
Seekers x 10 - 14 or Fiends x 5 -8
When you put a list like this into a genius level's hands, most people get rolled fairly easily. That being said, in a league we are running I have the benefit of tailoring my army to play his. As I was re-reading my codex, I was trying to see what we have that can combat the awesome sauce of the Chaos Daemon list above.
I would like to open this up for discussion. My thoughts are this:
Bloodcrusher-3+2++- The only thing that can stand up to this guy is the Nemesis Dreadnight or Lord Draigo. The psychic power that can make things easier to deal with is dark excommunication, which would remove his 2+ invol save. Even though I normally wouldn't play a dreadnight, I will probably get one because I love the model and if Dark Excommunication goes off, it could be closer to an even fight.
Regular terminators won't do it against him because they need 5's to hit and 5 or 6 to wound. And unless you can remove the 2+ invol that is re-rollable with fateweaver near by, he will never die!
That also brings me to the idea of banishers. Even though they only have a 6" range, putting a unit of them in a storm raven or chimera puts a larger footprint on the board.
Fateweaver-3++ re-rollable -The best thing to fight him is obviously the banisher and lots of storm bolter fire. I expect I will need at least 3 banishers so that makes me take Coteaz.
Bloodcrushers-3+ 5++-The heart and soul of the souless army.... Nearly impossible to kill with small arms fire near fateweaver, and deadly in close combat and especially on the charge. Sanctuary and halberds can help with these guys. If you don''t have a banisher in range, they are very hard to kill even with Init 6 str 5 power weapons. Which leads me to using either paladins or draigo.
I normally play a librarian because he is the best thing in the codex, but I feel to play anti-daemon, I might have to drop him for Draigo and Coteaz.
Daemon Prince-3+4++-With a great close combat ability and vehicle popping ap1 shot, he can be hard to deal with as well. He is a little easier to deal with than the bloodthirster since he is not weapons skill 10 and as strong or tough.
Fiends or Seekers- These guys are super fast and can be killed fairly easy with high rates of fire or flame templates. That being said if they get to you, well that unit is probably going to die.
He is known as the "dodger3"
Dark Excommunication combined with banishers and I6 halberds seem to be the best three pronged approach to hurting the fatecrusher build.
What are your thoughts?
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