With the demise of Project Biomorph, Kirby has taken over that forum and is turning it into the 3++ forum. As part of that transition, he asked Farmpunk and I to come and be moderators for the Flames of War section. So we're now available over there for the asking of Flames-related questions.
The first question we've gotten, from Frost89, is a good one. What does a Flames army cost? So Farmpunk and I have both broken down the price of the 1625 tournament armies that we played with last weekend. The low prices may astound you. :)
Here's Frost89's Question:
"I've tried to ask this question several times, but i never got an answer.
I understand that it's difficult to answer because there are a lot of variables to account for!
What's the average price for a general (lets say mixed tank/infantry) force, which is roughly equivalent of 1500 points of warhammer 40000?
What's the average terrain required (and its price) for a 1500vs1500 skirmish battle?
Sandwyrm's German Panzers
First up, I'll list the cheaper of our two armies. My Mid-War German Medium Panzer Company.
What you're seeing:
HQHere's my cost breakdown, based on retail at our FLGS. TheWarStore is even cheaper.
1iC: Panzer IV F2
2iC: Panzer III L w/Shürzen (armored side skirts)
3 Panzer IV F2
4 Panzer III L w/Shürzen
Panzer Scout Platoon
3 Scout Squads + Command Team w/Kübelwagons (German Jeeps)
Heavy Anti-Aircraft Gun Platoon
2 8.8cm Flak36 w/Extra Crew (for ROF 3)
Light Anti-Aircraft Gun Platoon
2 Sd Kfz 10/5 (2cm) AA Half-Tracks
Total: 1625 (Same as Mid-War Nationals this July)
26.00 - 1 Box of PSC Panzer IV's (5 tanks)Total: $138.50
26.00 - 1 Box of PSC Panzer III's (5 tanks)
23.00 - 1 Blister of BF Shützen Platoon (9 stands of Infantry, you need 4 for this list)
12.50 - 1 Blister of BF Motorcycles (4) with Sidecars (I used Kübels, but these are cheaper and work identically.)
26.00 - 1 Box - BF DAK Heavy Anti-Aircraft Gun Platoon
25.00 - 2 Blisters of BF Armored Sd/Kfz 10/5 (2cm) AA Half Track
Not bad at all.
I will warn you though, that BF transports are pretty pricey. So if you add in transports for the 88's in my list (a 5-point option you'll rarely use), then it would add another $33.50 to the cost. This is particularly a problem for Germans, as we have so many different kinds of transport vehicle and each infantry/gun platoon can use different types in different lists. But it's still peanuts compared to even cheap 40K armies.
So add in a rulebook set ($60 for 3 books - rules, forces, hobby), plus the North Africa campaign book ($50), and you're looking at not-quite $250 to start. Though if you just want to be able to make NA lists, you can go to easyarmy.com and pay them $3 to use the NA rules with their on-line army builder. It's a good deal and is approved by Battlefront.
Farmpunk's American Tank Company
The list I took last week to a local tourney would cost:
6 Sherman ($75 Battlefront, $32 PSC)So that puts my 1625pt Mid-war nationals force at $350 if buying from BattleFront. Once Plastic Soldier Co is done with their releases this summer, that same force will probably cost $200
3 Priest ($33 BF, PSC will have models out this summer)
2 M10 Wolverine ($25 BF, PSC will release this summer)
2 M3A1 Scout cars ($25 BF)
5 M5 Stuarts ($52 BF)
3 M3 Halftracks ($33 BF)
5 Jeeps ($25 BF)
4 105 Howitzers ($60 BF)
2 Staff teams for artillery ($25 BF)
misc. infantry to emerge from the Recon patrol ($20 BF)
You can get by cheaper, but I would expect to put down $200-300 if you're buying from BattleFront. You'll also have a decent sized force to play with.
But The Cheapest Option Just To Start Flames Is...
Go to TheWarStore.com and buy the rulebook set for $30.50. Then buy the 'Tigers Marsch' box set for $72 and you're all set for slightly more than $100 total. For an army list, you can download the free Tunisian Tigers list from the Flames of War website and get rolling right away. :)
Head over to the forum for what we have to say about terrain costs.